I read the outgoing MEC chairman update regarding TPA terminated provisions. Specifically, the dialogue concerning Aircraft, i.e., Airbus and 737, going to other hubs. There were references to managements previous statements about deploying these aircraft to other hubs. Could somebody discuss any specifics they have heard about where these or other aircraft will be going.

 

Nothing published that I'm aware of, but rumors are of CAL 737s to ORD and DEN and UAL 320s to IAH.

 

If it's of any consequence......
A few months ago, L-CAL's CCS "Standing Bid" screen for base/equipment bidding did have the ORD & DEN options in the drop down selections for the B737. This only lasted a 'short time', and was quickly removed the same day. It was on there long enough to cause a stir, and allow some pilots to obtain 'screen shots' of it's evidence. Since then, it has been removed.

I'm sure this was unveiled to rattle the sabers and detract attention from the masses regarding the 'meeting' up in BOS that week.

Being that January 1st, 2012 is less than 24 hrs away.....this potential under the current standing TPA could happen sooner rather than later.....at least for this hour.

Again, time will tell.

 

Well in case anyone is still king the Koolade thinking this merger is good for UAL, the bell is ringing and it's time to wake up!

CAL has never cared about UAL or it's dedicated employees. They wanted our cash and Tilton wanted to screw us by handing is over to a schmuck management team who was sure to rape each and every one of us at UAL.

So they are very willing to give CAL pilots the profit sharing we earned by enduring a horrible bankruptcy but wait, they never had to go through a draconian experience as we have yet they get our compensatory profit sharing??? So CAL is willing to allow their pilots to bid into ORD and DEN and wherever they elect to put the guppy, the very plane UAL parked yet we are going to be forced to commute from our current domiciles to armpits like IAH, EWR or CLE let alone Guam! Do you see the trend? Give CAL pilots what they want and do so by taking from UAL! Let's see how this would work out now. As a Bus guy in ORD who lives in Chicago, I'm forced to either commute to say IAH or bid another seat in ORD, but wait, I can't bid a guppy seat in ORD cause we don't fly them and CAL does. Hmmmm, sounds like leverage for the management, ie scamanagement here at the new UAL, or rather CAL with more UAL cash. Seriously how bad can a management team be? What separates us from SWA is their management. They pull on the same rope and succeed while getting paid more and being treated with honest to goodness respect....what a concept. The new UAL team doesn't give a crap about the employees, especially the legacy UAL ones as is evident by ACTIONS, not words or paint! Really, you can't do it so badly unless you do so on purpose! Each and every time we say "it can't get any worse", it always, without fail, DOES! Think about it, an honest management team with some modicum of integrity would happily consider it's employees plights when making policy and domicile decisions but these boobs refuse to even acknowledge the hardships we will be forced to live under. Now you ask a CAL pilot and you will find them chomping on the bit to transfer to DEN and ORD over our dead bodies! Trust me on this, we are brethren until they get a golden deal at our expense. History has shown this at CAL. They will pick the UAL pilots bones in a heartbeat. They are getting OUR bankruptcy profit sharing, they are getting our domiciles and we get......ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. The CAL MEC should have refused anything from these morons unless UAL pilots get the some measure of benefit commensurate to Them but NO, they are probably celebrating a gain. CAL MEC lacks integrity and has proven that all the BS talking points are just that, BS. Actions will ALWAYS speak louder than words, ALWAYS!

 

Please don't sugar coat it and tell me what you really think.

 

Your profit sharing? Sorry, you're right. I didn't earn anything this year, especially after the summer of crediting close to 300 hours on reserve due to lack of crew planning and having my life messed with. I mean I did it all for fun and the goodness of my heart so that YOU could get more money in your pocket. Sounds like a management position: get the big rewards for all the hard work of others.

I apologize if that offends, but your statement really ticks me off. And my response is completely outside my personal opinions of profit sharing and how I view it as a negotiating tool.


Just like we can't bid the Bus to stay in our bases because we don't fly those planes. I've not met one pilot who is chomping at the bit to get into DEN or ORD. BTW, what makes ORD really any better than EWR? DEN I could see. Are you really that naive to think that management wasn't going to terminate the base/domicile protections? Most anyone could see that coming when this thing was signed.

Nope, not taking away any of the profit sharing that you earned and negotiated. I know it is hard to comprehend but our side of the operation is making profits, too. You are getting access to our bases as well. Since we can't bid each others equipment it means all of our lives get upended.

I thought it was the younger generation with the me, me, me mentality, but I guess we have to look in the mirror to see where they get it from.

You are playing management's game brilliantly, keeping the focus off US vs THEM. I understand your anger and respect your opinion, but it is misdirected IMHO.

 

You CAL guys like this kind of stuff - We'll make sure you won't be able to enjoy it!! Greed!!!

 

You love this - CAL is out stealing again!

 

Yup. Last time this happened was LAX in January. Five months later there were crews there.

 

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Originally Posted by EWRflyr

I've not met one pilot who is chomping at the bit to get into DEN or ORD. ...

The only guys other than senior Captains that want to go to DEN or ORD are the group of furloughed L-UAL pilots who I am a part of. We have been furloughed twice, stuck on the CAL seniority list under CAL's draconian work rules as a new hire, and we won't see a raise for over 5 years... not even a $1/year raise.

"Each and every time we say "it can't get any worse", it always, without fail, DOES! "

This quote is my favorite as it usually happens to those of us at the bottom. I am ready to fight for a better contract, but after being hired in 1999, I am tired of being on the bottom. I have 1,437 bretheren who are with me as they have felt the screw twice. We need something fomm either union who both claim to represent us. If I can get out of EWR and get LAX, DEN, or ORD; then I will.

I remember the senior folks telling me that they didn't furlough me, the company did. Well, I and my fellow CAL pilots (At least that is what I am told daily who I am; especially since the UAL Furlough Coordinator came to our class and told us that we were still considered furloughed by L-UAL)aren't screwing you, the company is.

If you want to pull on the same side of the rope, then let's bring it against the true enemy-the company and management that has screwed us both. Let's bring it to the contract table and get it done. Then I can figure out what the hell I am.... A United Pilot. That's what I signed on for 12 years ago.

Fraternally.
FMT