Give him a Salute and a Quick Boot.
01-04-2012 | 07:40 PM
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You don't want to share information! It's not a conspiracy, it happened. You guys made a personal deal with Jeff to get a bonus. Did you sell yourself short?
01-04-2012 | 08:09 PM
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I believe it, too. Jay Pierce popped the top off of a Tall Boy can of festering animosity and practically poured it over the heads of UAL pilots, thereby causing enough rancor between the two L-groups to guarantee discord sufficient to last quite a few years. And that's the stealing money from my wife, myself and my two young boys. I've been on furlough for 9 years now.
Again, those "synergies of efficiency" will sit rotting on the shelves, just like at US Airways. It's the new normal. Just ask Doug Parker.
I have a feeling Jay Pierce is going to stand behind the podium and tell us all it's raining when we know exactly what the liquid is. It ain't water.
SCR
Again, those "synergies of efficiency" will sit rotting on the shelves, just like at US Airways. It's the new normal. Just ask Doug Parker.
I have a feeling Jay Pierce is going to stand behind the podium and tell us all it's raining when we know exactly what the liquid is. It ain't water.
SCR
Tell Jay "thanks" for all the good will he's passed to his L-UAL "brothers".
SCR
01-04-2012 | 08:37 PM
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I believe it, too. Jay Pierce popped the top off of a Tall Boy can of festering animosity and practically poured it over the heads of UAL pilots, thereby causing enough rancor between the two L-groups to guarantee discord sufficient to last quite a few years. And that's the stealing money from my wife, myself and my two young boys. I've been on furlough for 9 years now.
Again, those "synergies of efficiency" will sit rotting on the shelves, just like at US Airways. It's the new normal. Just ask Doug Parker.
I have a feeling Jay Pierce is going to stand behind the podium and tell us all it's raining when we know exactly what the liquid is. It ain't water.
SCR
Again, those "synergies of efficiency" will sit rotting on the shelves, just like at US Airways. It's the new normal. Just ask Doug Parker.
I have a feeling Jay Pierce is going to stand behind the podium and tell us all it's raining when we know exactly what the liquid is. It ain't water.
SCR
But when hopes of cobbling together a JCBA anytime in the next few years evaporate with the end-around deal of the L-CAL led by Jay Pierce, yeah I'm dead serious. And for what, one measly year of profit sharing?
There goes my recall chances for another three to five years, but who's counting, right?
I can always kiss my wife and kids goodbye and head off to my swank life as a reserve puke living at my crashpad next to the prison near EWR. I'll see them sometime later in the month. Can't tell them when with any certainty, though. That's no "win" for my family. I didn't move them 10 minutes from ORD so commuting to IAH or EWR would be easier.
SCR
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01-05-2012 | 04:05 AM
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You guys scared Jay away.
Council 12 NOTAM
Fellow Council 12 pilots:
On the evening of January 4, 2012, your MEC convened a 3:19 business conference call to discuss and receive briefings regarding our legal and strategic options regarding the CAL MEC Master Chairman negotiating Profit Sharing with management.
As we digest these briefings, it remains clear that we have a strong legal argument and will take the strongest action on all avenues regarding violations to the T&PA and the RLA Section 6 Status Quo.
As this process unfolds, CAL MEC Master Chairman Captain Jay Pierce has just informed us that he will not be attending our Council meeting on January 11, 2012, due to a schedule conflict.
We know you are eager to receive more information. We are facing very important issues and will report the facts to you as they are known and confirmed. We will only act on sound facts and evidence, not on emotion. To achieve this we will not seek instant gratification. The process will be deliberate to achieve the maximum gain for our pilots.
Tomorrow and in the days ahead UAL MEC Master Chairman Captain Jay Heppner will be providing you with more information. Expect more information from us, as well.
Fraternally and in Unity,
Robert C. Ward
[email protected]
330-423-8830
Carlos J. Rodriguez
[email protected]
678-520-5545
Eric J. Popper
[email protected]
630-841-3065
ALPA: The Pilots Union
Council 12 NOTAM
Fellow Council 12 pilots:
On the evening of January 4, 2012, your MEC convened a 3:19 business conference call to discuss and receive briefings regarding our legal and strategic options regarding the CAL MEC Master Chairman negotiating Profit Sharing with management.
As we digest these briefings, it remains clear that we have a strong legal argument and will take the strongest action on all avenues regarding violations to the T&PA and the RLA Section 6 Status Quo.
As this process unfolds, CAL MEC Master Chairman Captain Jay Pierce has just informed us that he will not be attending our Council meeting on January 11, 2012, due to a schedule conflict.
We know you are eager to receive more information. We are facing very important issues and will report the facts to you as they are known and confirmed. We will only act on sound facts and evidence, not on emotion. To achieve this we will not seek instant gratification. The process will be deliberate to achieve the maximum gain for our pilots.
Tomorrow and in the days ahead UAL MEC Master Chairman Captain Jay Heppner will be providing you with more information. Expect more information from us, as well.
Fraternally and in Unity,
Robert C. Ward
[email protected]
330-423-8830
Carlos J. Rodriguez
[email protected]
678-520-5545
Eric J. Popper
[email protected]
630-841-3065
ALPA: The Pilots Union
01-05-2012 | 04:41 AM
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The UAL MEC has done me few favors. Same with the courts. And it goes without saying that the company doesn't give a rats ass about us, either. This I've long known and understood.
But when hopes of cobbling together a JCBA anytime in the next few years evaporate with the end-around deal of the L-CAL led by Jay Pierce, yeah I'm dead serious. And for what, one measly year of profit sharing?
There goes my recall chances for another three to five years, but who's counting, right?
I can always kiss my wife and kids goodbye and head off to my swank life as a reserve puke living at my crashpad next to the prison near EWR. I'll see them sometime later in the month. Can't tell them when with any certainty, though. That's no "win" for my family. I didn't move them 10 minutes from ORD so commuting to IAH or EWR would be easier.
SCR
But when hopes of cobbling together a JCBA anytime in the next few years evaporate with the end-around deal of the L-CAL led by Jay Pierce, yeah I'm dead serious. And for what, one measly year of profit sharing?
There goes my recall chances for another three to five years, but who's counting, right?
I can always kiss my wife and kids goodbye and head off to my swank life as a reserve puke living at my crashpad next to the prison near EWR. I'll see them sometime later in the month. Can't tell them when with any certainty, though. That's no "win" for my family. I didn't move them 10 minutes from ORD so commuting to IAH or EWR would be easier.
SCR
01-05-2012 | 05:18 AM
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I'll can tell you this, Jay will answer every question you ask. You won't like some of the answers but sometimes sunshine is good. Your LEC's and MEC's blastmails have done a great job of spooling you guys up with half truths. There's always three sides to every story: yours, ours and somewhere in between. Ask the hard questions, the ones you REALLY don't want to know the truth about. You might be surprised.
01-05-2012 | 05:29 AM
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I hear you ...but if the future is that bleak, having to commute to EWR (which I do and many others), flying a 737, which is the growing fleet, then why would you put yourself through this again, just as you said to be a reserve puke ( all of us have been)I'm not making light of your concerns, but trying to inject some realism...if you are furloughed, and will be junior on recall, your choices are limited..and Jay is not the reason.
Commuting is one thing--I've done it for years, too...but not for UAL. ORD had always been the most junior (and largest) of domiciles at UAL--and that's why I live here. If I have to be junior again 12 years after I was hired, I have to accept that. Just not commuting any more.
Again...no JCBA (thanks, Jay!), no chance of a near-term recall to UAL for me.
SCR
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01-05-2012 | 05:45 AM
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01-05-2012 | 07:05 AM
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From: 737 CAPT
Originally Posted by dexim
You guys have a Jeff style town hall meeting tomorrow with Capt JP -
