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dexim 01-19-2012 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by SoCalGuy (Post 1119477)
Depends on who talk to regarding the data base....
As it's available to EVERY L-CAL employee, anybody can look up anyone regarding their employee picture....No different than the photo on the front of your ID Badge. I've even heard of some pilots argue the fact that it serves as a second layer of "safety/security" in which to verify "someone" if there's doubt of who someone presents them self to be w/in the L-CAL system....Again NO personal into as mentioned earlier.

As far as base, how do you know I'm based in EWR to begin with??

Good to hear about the company database - your boy,LAT/LONG, went off thinking the world knew who he was this morning - good thing he didn't go postal. IMHO, I think the database can do more harm than good and you guys should ask that its access be controlled to a need to know bases.

As far as your domicile, had to be a guess, I just found the WWW that Al Gore invented. It is something isn't it?
Have you had to make any fuel stops on the return trips from Europe. How do they handle the pay if it causes you to lose a trip.

watching6 01-19-2012 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by EWRflyr (Post 1119450)
dexim,

It is an internal company database. It is essentially an employee directory that shows name, department, photo, company e-mail address, work location/mail code and the contact phone number. In the case of the phone number, for pilots and flight attendants it is the number of their direct supervisor. There is no "personal" information in there to worry about that I can see. There is no access to my home phone number, my home address, my personal e-mail account, social security number or other pay or benefit information.

That database is only accessable by CAL employees, maybe UAL now, and has a useful purpose. The down side is F/O Neffe has now broadcast all of that information to the world, again you may say "no big deal" they deserve it. Maybe they do, but did you notice some of those guys have a mideastern look to them. Yea, that's right all a terrorist organization has to do is find someone similar looking and everything on that list for the pilot is on his ID card. So, a new ID card can be made and he could be getting on your jumpseat some day. CASS won't catch him because he'll look close enough for government work.

Blockoutblockin 01-19-2012 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by dexim (Post 1119482)
Have you had to make any fuel stops on the return trips from Europe. How do they handle the pay if it causes you to lose a trip.

LMAO, the more you write the more obvious it becomes that you are not a pilot.

dexim 01-19-2012 02:20 PM


Originally Posted by Blockoutblockin (Post 1119568)
LMAO, the more you write the more obvious it becomes that you are not a pilot.

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Nonstop Flights Stop for Fuel - WSJ.com


If you don't know the answer - don't jump in!

Do you know - How do they handle the pay if it causes you to lose a trip.

SoCalGuy 01-19-2012 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by dexim (Post 1119482)
As far as your domicile, had to be a guess, I just found the WWW that Al Gore invented. It is something isn't it?
Have you had to make any fuel stops on the return trips from Europe. How do they handle the pay if it causes you to lose a trip.

Looks as if your boy Al Gore, along with the box-top cereal decoder ring failed you. Is the "Tin-Foil Cap" still on?? Since your so keen to know where I'm based, it's actually IAH.....No secret.....made that available in past-posts.

Regarding your question.....I wouldn't know about B757 fuel stops out of IAH, we don't fly that a/c outta IAH to Europe....Only the 767 & 777. Since your curious on the topic of fuel stops & pay, it goes a little something like this.....

Just as you "r"UAL Pilots get paid by the minute, so do we. Here's the kicker.....When I was based up in EWR doing a lot of BCN & TXL X-ings, it was not uncommon to show up in Ops for the return leg from Europe to find a "scheduled fuel stop" added to the release even before you departed to head Westbound. The beauty/rub of the deal resulting from that is a 'mid-sequence modification' (IE-a scheduled stop for gas/additional 'leg' added after the sequence had already started), it just meant 150% pay on ALL "OVERS" resulting within that sequence, this is a contractual clause. Of course, Jeff and his minions require pilots to submit a pay-claim to get the 150%, just another hoop in the POS CBA. The added bonus was this situation was an additional landing came about producing 3 landings in the pairing. Most of the "good Captains" would give the IRO the 'odd' landing which made it nice to the 'professional IROs' to grab a bounce.

To recap your Fuel Stop Question......
1) General Overs on unscheduled stops, not a bad thing.
2) Mid-Sequence Mods resulting in 150% pay on 'overs', even a better thing.
3) IRO's getting a chance to swing a landing in the deal depending on the Capt.....Doesn't get much better.

Well, I'll say we've drifted this thread straight into the ground, but I hope that quenches all of your questions regarding the topic. As you can see....These fuel stops DON'T cause you to LOOSE pay, quite the opposite.....plain and simple.

Blockoutblockin 01-19-2012 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by SoCalGuy (Post 1119583)
Looks as if your boy Al Gore, along with the box-top cereal decoder ring failed you. Is the "Tin-Foil Cap" still on?? Since your so keen to know where I'm based, it's actually IAH.....No secret.....made that available in past-posts.

Regarding your question.....I wouldn't know about B757 fuel stops out of IAH, we don't fly that a/c outta IAH to Europe....Only the 767 & 777. Since your curious on the topic of fuel stops & pay, it goes a little something like this.....

Just as you "r"UAL Pilots get paid by the minute, so do we. Here's the kicker.....When I was based up in EWR doing a lot of BCN & TXL X-ings, it was not uncommon to show up in Ops for the return leg from Europe to find a "scheduled fuel stop" added to the release even before you departed to head Westbound. The beauty/rub of the deal resulting from that is a 'mid-sequence modification' (IE-a scheduled stop for gas/additional 'leg' added after the sequence had already started), it just meant 150% pay on ALL "OVERS" resulting within that sequence, this is a contractual clause. Of course, Jeff and his minions require pilots to submit a pay-claim to get the 150%, just another hoop in the POS CBA. The added bonus was this situation added an additional landing. Most of the "good Captains" would give the IRO the 'odd' landing which made it nice to the 'professional IROs' to grab a bounce.

To recap your Fuel Stop Question......
1) General Overs on unscheduled stops, not a bad thing.
2) Mid-Sequence Mods resulting in 150% pay on 'overs', even a better thing.
3) IRO's getting a chance to swing a landing in the deal depending on the Capt.....Doesn't get much better.

Well, I'll say we've drifted this thread straight into the ground, but I hope that quenches all of your questions regarding the topic.

Next you can explain the control and performance concept of instrument attitude flying to dear dexim. LOL, dexim's credibility is experiencing an accelerated stall.

dexim 01-19-2012 03:09 PM


Originally Posted by SoCalGuy (Post 1119583)
Looks as if your boy Al Gore, along with the box-top cereal decoder ring failed you. Is the "Tin-Foil Cap" still on?? Since your so keen to know where I'm based, it's actually IAH.....No secret.....made that available in past-posts.

Regarding your question.....I wouldn't know about B757 fuel stops out of IAH, we don't fly that a/c outta IAH to Europe....Only the 767 & 777. Since your curious on the topic of fuel stops & pay, it goes a little something like this.....

Just as you "r"UAL Pilots get paid by the minute, so do we. Here's the kicker.....When I was based up in EWR doing a lot of BCN & TXL X-ings, it was not uncommon to show up in Ops for the return leg from Europe to find a "scheduled fuel stop" added to the release even before you departed to head Westbound. The beauty/rub of the deal resulting from that is a 'mid-sequence modification' (IE-a scheduled stop for gas/additional 'leg' added after the sequence had already started), it just meant 150% pay on ALL "OVERS" resulting within that sequence, this is a contractual clause. Of course, Jeff and his minions require pilots to submit a pay-claim to get the 150%, just another hoop in the POS CBA. The added bonus was this situation was an additional landing came about producing 3 landings in the pairing. Most of the "good Captains" would give the IRO the 'odd' landing which made it nice to the 'professional IROs' to grab a bounce.

To recap your Fuel Stop Question......
1) General Overs on unscheduled stops, not a bad thing.
2) Mid-Sequence Mods resulting in 150% pay on 'overs', even a better thing.
3) IRO's getting a chance to swing a landing in the deal depending on the Capt.....Doesn't get much better.

Well, I'll say we've drifted this thread straight into the ground, but I hope that quenches all of your questions regarding the topic. As you can see....These fuel stops DON'T cause you to LOOSE pay, quite the opposite.....plain and simple.

Thanks! Who would think we'd get to some facts. Never forget - I care about you CAL guys.

dexim 01-19-2012 03:16 PM


Originally Posted by Blockoutblockin (Post 1119587)
Next you can explain the control and performance concept of instrument attitude flying to dear dexim. LOL, dexim's credibility is experiencing an accelerated stall.

You're good - bet you were a flight instructor and never got over yourself. The guys you fly with probably could stand a break with the EGO. Just because you got a job at CAL after being an intern, doesn't mean you were the best - just that nobody else applied.

dexim 01-19-2012 03:34 PM


Originally Posted by SoCalGuy (Post 1119583)
Looks as if your boy Al Gore, along with the box-top cereal decoder ring failed you. Is the "Tin-Foil Cap" still on?? Since your so keen to know where I'm based, it's actually IAH.....No secret.....made that available in past-posts.

Regarding your question.....I wouldn't know about B757 fuel stops out of IAH, we don't fly that a/c outta IAH to Europe....Only the 767 & 777. Since your curious on the topic of fuel stops & pay, it goes a little something like this.....

Just as you "r"UAL Pilots get paid by the minute, so do we. Here's the kicker.....When I was based up in EWR doing a lot of BCN & TXL X-ings, it was not uncommon to show up in Ops for the return leg from Europe to find a "scheduled fuel stop" added to the release even before you departed to head Westbound. The beauty/rub of the deal resulting from that is a 'mid-sequence modification' (IE-a scheduled stop for gas/additional 'leg' added after the sequence had already started), it just meant 150% pay on ALL "OVERS" resulting within that sequence, this is a contractual clause. Of course, Jeff and his minions require pilots to submit a pay-claim to get the 150%, just another hoop in the POS CBA. The added bonus was this situation was an additional landing came about producing 3 landings in the pairing. Most of the "good Captains" would give the IRO the 'odd' landing which made it nice to the 'professional IROs' to grab a bounce.

To recap your Fuel Stop Question......
1) General Overs on unscheduled stops, not a bad thing.
2) Mid-Sequence Mods resulting in 150% pay on 'overs', even a better thing.
3) IRO's getting a chance to swing a landing in the deal depending on the Capt.....Doesn't get much better.

Well, I'll say we've drifted this thread straight into the ground, but I hope that quenches all of your questions regarding the topic. As you can see....These fuel stops DON'T cause you to LOOSE pay, quite the opposite.....plain and simple.

Sorry, If you lost a following trip/seguence/id as a result of the fuel stop. Do you lose the money for that or are you paid for that trip? We'd get paid but have to standby for a repair for 4 hours around the departure time of the lost trip.

EWRflyr 01-20-2012 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by dexim
That information was used to create a list of known scabs at CAL. What is the purpose of allowing access to other employees?

Don't see a need for a open database like this if it doesn't serve a purpose.

The list is already known. The database has nothing to do with the list per se. All that someone did was to compile a picture list using all the Saving Continental Airlines Brotherhood pilots, their pictures from the database and their DOB from the system seniority list.

The database serves a purpose. When I have had a pay issue in the past, I have called the crewpay person directly after looking up their number in the directory. I've had to call a few people in other departments, too. I'm not sure what the issue is with having this directory. I'm sure YOUR side of the company has a phone directory/database somewhere as well. It doesn't serve some nefarious purpose. It's normal in businesses worldwide to be able to find the contact information of someone in another area in the company.


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