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01-26-2012 | 09:58 AM

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Wasn't there a change a couple years ago that gave UAL mainline priority over UAX pilots & employees on UAX flights, even on their own metal?

No. We go behind Skywest employees on Skywest flights, even though we pay for the seats.

01-26-2012 | 10:03 AM

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No. We go behind Skywest employees on Skywest flights, even though we pay for the seats.

Looks like what I was referring to was jumpseats, not NRSA travel.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/regional/28118

01-26-2012 | 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Andy

I think that the Skywest update was premature unless they're now travelling on mainline metal as BP-8B.
In the new travel program, it looks like Skywest will go in front of unaccompanied companions. I assume that Skywest would fall into category F and unaccompanied companions would be category H. I think it goes into effect in April.
E.Employees' and retirees' unaccompanied eligible pass riders (including enrolled friends) traveling on a personal pass

Employees' adult children who are traveling unaccompanied on an extended family buddy pass
F.Continental subsidiary early-out program eligible pass riders and eligible pass riders who are participants in the 2011 (and beyond) United early-out program

Priority other airline (alliances) employees, retirees and their eligible pass riders
G.Extended family buddy pass riders (other than employees' adult children) traveling unaccompanied
H.Regular buddy pass riders traveling unaccompanied
I.Non-priority other airline (non-alliance) employees, retirees and their eligible pass riders
J.Employees who elect to stand by for service-charge- waived pass travel, system-wide in any class of service, rather than paying service charges to travel at a higher boarding priority
*Enrolled friends do not have the same boarding priority as spouses or domestic partners in these cases.
Qualification as a "spouse" or "domestic partner" (or other status under this policy) is determined under company policy and is subject to verification.

Hmmm... The release Skywest put out would have their travel eligibles (including enrolled friends) ahead of our unaccompanied Companions. They lost companion pass travel for 2012, so they won't have any Companions themselves. However, their enrolled friends benefits (which we don't have unless you are unmarried, and then can designate 1 vs. Skywest's 2) put them as just "travel eligibles" according to Skywest.

I've contacted my reps. I know this is small fries compared to the bigger JCBA issues, but I've had ENOUGH of becoming a second class citizen at my own airline.

01-26-2012 | 10:07 AM

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Looks like what I was referring to was jumpseats, not NRSA travel.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/regional/28118

Hi Boiler

Can't open the link you posted. I know for a FACT that UAL pilots go behind UAX pilots on their own metal. The change a few years back (I believe) was that UAL pilots went to seniority on UAX vs. Time of Check-in. That has since changed back, and we are now back to T.O.C on UAX, but still behind UAX pilots.

01-26-2012 | 10:10 AM

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Sorry, linky was bad...

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...8-31-08-a.html

For the record, I'm not trying to be argumentative, say one excuses the other or anything like that; I have absolutely no affiliation to UAL or any UAX carrier but I do remember the HUGE controversy the jumpseat thing caused.

Obviously, it was amicably resolved...

01-26-2012 | 10:10 AM

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I think what they are referring to is the ability of CAL employees to use vacation passes on express flights when express employees lost all accrued vacation passes. This basically put cal employees and pass riders ahead of any express employee at any seniority if they burned a vacation pass.

01-26-2012 | 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Ottopilot

Travel is no longer a benefit. I stopped flying a long time ago. I drive.

In 2011, I flew to Hawaii with the wife and 2 companions, my daughter and a companion flew to Europe (first class outbound!), and my whole family flew to Florida for a cruise. All space-A. It's not as good as it used to be, but "no longer a benefit?" c-mon man.

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01-26-2012 | 10:31 AM

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Ahhh, yes. I remember that. At the time I remember thinking that was reasonable that whoever is paying for the seats should get priority. When we fly a Charter for a sports team, I can't non-rev. Why? Because those seats were paid for by the team, and they (for obvious reasons) don't want us on there.

As soon as Skwyest starts paying for the seats, I will shut up. Of course, then the RJ becomes pretty worthless at $100 oil. I have ZERO problem with Skywest employees going ahead of me on their at-risk flying.

01-26-2012 | 10:32 AM

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I THINK that is still the case, that Vacation passes will be at the same priority as UAX. As it damned well should be

01-26-2012 | 10:42 AM

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I just read the new policy and we aren't traveling ahead of your unaccompanied pass riders. It is easy to misunderstand what they are saying but the terminology they use is very specific. We are ahead of your companion/buddy passriders which isn't anything new on the CAL side. We gained the second enrolled friend at the cost of buddy passes and there is a hefty fee associated with that second person.

We are now the same pass class as UAL employees using a vacation pass on express operated flights because we do not get vacation passes. So it is purely seniority based between express employees and mainline employees as long as you are traveling on a vacation pass.

I understand the angst but it is relatively unchanged from what it was. Recapture scope and it wont be a problem.