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Old 03-05-2012 | 07:03 PM
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What is Carmen PBS?
Preferential Bidding System. Carmen was the vendor that sold us the use of their servers and software. Jeppesen bought the company so now Boeing owns it.
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Old 03-05-2012 | 07:43 PM
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What is Carmen PBS?
LOL! I guess you will find out soon enough. Bend Over. Ever heard of Overall Solution Constraints?
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Old 03-05-2012 | 09:52 PM
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When you get within 4.5 hours of guarantee you have to call them and give them the choice of either releasing you from remaining reserve days on the bid or they have to pay you at least 4.5 or whatever you fly, whatever is higher, for the remainder of bid month. They will never release you, so they put the code rmpg on you master schedule indicating that you have called. At that point if they don't use you, not likely, or assigns you a trip that averages 3 hours a day, you will get paid 4.5 a day. Of course if your trip average's more then 4.5 a day you will get the higher of course. You have to call the day prior the next reserve day by 9am, i think, to get it for that next day. Also it must be done for each work block. One call only covers one work block.
OK, if you're within 4.5 of guarantee and they don't release you, do you get any credit for days on reserve where they don't use you?

If you don't get any credit for sitting there, is it possible to simply drop the days without pay? (WOP in United-speak).
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Old 03-05-2012 | 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
OK, if you're within 4.5 of guarantee and they don't release you, do you get any credit for days on reserve where they don't use you?

If you don't get any credit for sitting there, is it possible to simply drop the days without pay? (WOP in United-speak).
You get 4.5 hours above guarantee for each day they don't release you.

They won't let you drop the days since you called them to get released. Plus we never have coverage so you never can drop a day.
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Old 03-06-2012 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by David Watts
You get 4.5 hours above guarantee for each day they don't release you.

They won't let you drop the days since you called them to get released. Plus we never have coverage so you never can drop a day.
Thanks; I wanted to make sure that they couldn't simply leave you on reserve and not pay you for those days that they don't use you.
... it's probably naive of me to think that there are many days they won't use you.
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Old 03-06-2012 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
Thanks; I wanted to make sure that they couldn't simply leave you on reserve and not pay you for those days that they don't use you.
... it's probably naive of me to think that there are many days they won't use you.
I remember someone on here saying that you have to make the call to scheduling before you will get the 4.5 hrs/day.

If you don't call, you lose out.

Can anyone verify this?
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Old 03-06-2012 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by bkaz
I remember someone on here saying that you have to make the call to scheduling before you will get the 4.5 hrs/day.

If you don't call, you lose out.

Can anyone verify this?
Sad but true.
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Old 03-06-2012 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by beeker
I know what your trying to say about being within 4:30 of guarantee but let me assure you they still fly the crap out of you. Once within the 4.5 you just don't get to pick what crap to fly, they have to assign it and believe me they will assign something.
Yes. Once you call scheduling to "pay me or release me" you are now the #1 reserve. They don't go by seniority, day matches, etc. Their view is that if they're paying you extra, you'll have to earn it. Along the same lines, you won't get the 36-hour Omaha layover. It'll be 4:30 per day.
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Old 03-06-2012 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by EWR73FO
Pay wise it means that your pay guarantee of 76 hours for a B reserve could become 80:30, 85:00, etc. for however many days you have remaining when you get to within 4:30 of your monthly guarantee.
Originally Posted by David Watts
You get 4.5 hours above guarantee for each day they don't release you.
A minor correction to this. The 4:30/day is not above MPG as the starting point. Rather, it is a credit added to your current earned line value. In your example if you have a 76 MPG and you get within 4:30 of it, say 72 hours of pay credit, then you call to "pay me or release me," and the 4:30/day then gets added to your pay credit, starting at 72 hours. It will certainly go above the 76 MPG, but it doesn't start there.

"25.11.G.10. If a Reserve Pilot's credit value is within four hours and thirty minutes (4:30) of his MPG, the Company may elect to release him for any or all of his scheduled Reserve Days in the remainder of the bid period (with no adjustment in MPG), except that the Reserve Pilot will not be released for a single day, other than his last day, without his consent. A Reserve Pilot whose credit value is within four hours and thirty minutes (4:30) of his MPG who has not previously been notified regarding release from remaining scheduled Reserve Days must contact Crew Scheduling on the day prior to each of his scheduled Reserve blocks no later than 0900 LBT to determine whether he has been released. Should he not be released, he will receive four hours and thirty minutes (4:30) credit, times the scheduled Reserve Days in the remainder of that scheduled Reserve block from which he is not released, or the total actual credit time, including Deadhead, flown on those days, whichever is greater."

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Old 03-06-2012 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by APC225
A minor correction to this. The 4:30/day is not above MPG as the starting point. Rather, it is a credit added to your current earned line value. In your example if you have a 76 MPG and you get within 4:30 of it, say 72 hours of pay credit, then you call to "pay me or release me," and the 4:30/day then gets added to your pay credit, starting at 72 hours. It will certainly go above the 76 MPG, but it doesn't start there.

"25.11.G.10. If a Reserve Pilot's credit value is within four hours and thirty minutes (4:30) of his MPG, the Company may elect to release him for any or all of his scheduled Reserve Days in the remainder of the bid period (with no adjustment in MPG), except that the Reserve Pilot will not be released for a single day, other than his last day, without his consent. A Reserve Pilot whose credit value is within four hours and thirty minutes (4:30) of his MPG who has not previously been notified regarding release from remaining scheduled Reserve Days must contact Crew Scheduling on the day prior to each of his scheduled Reserve blocks no later than 0900 LBT to determine whether he has been released. Should he not be released, he will receive four hours and thirty minutes (4:30) credit times the scheduled Reserve Days in the remainder of that scheduled Reserve block from which he is not released, or the total actual credit time, including Deadhead, flown on those days, whichever is greater."


Thanks. Just noticed that on my pay screen. All that means is you need to get your live value as CLOSE to MPG as possible before calling to be released or paid.
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