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Mwindaji 05-02-2012 08:54 PM

What is a good JCBA?
 
So what does a good CBA generally include? It is not my intention to negotiate the JCBA on this forum but to find out if others feel the way I do on what some minimum items should be. What do you think?
I will vote no on any JCBA that does not include all of the following. These are my personal demands. This is not all I want either.
1. The removal of retained management rights in the CBA. For those that are unfamiliar with “retained management rights” in the CBA. It means unless it is strictly forbidden in the CBA the company can do what it wants. This is not an intrinsic right of the company. Why give it away?
2. Trip rigs and duty rigs. .
3. Extra pay for red-eyes.
4. Extra pay for working holidays.
5. Extra pay for special qualification airports (i.e. UIO, TGU, BOG, ect)
6. Our days off to be our days off. No such thing as a moveable day.
7. Training be done on work days and not on our days off and I demand we be paid the same in the simulator as on the airplane.
8. Work one duty period a day. No coming in from a red-eye in the morning to be sent out later that same day. No double pumping of reserves or line holders. No double pumps on lines.
I am sure there are other things that should be a minimum to be included in the next JCBA. The specifics and compensation should be worked out by the negotiators. I hear that a lot has been accomplished by our union in moving towards a JCBA. I hope that is true. We shall see.

47dog 05-02-2012 09:33 PM

Pretty much what was at my Regional airline 20 years ago........how far we've fallen.

uaav8r 05-03-2012 05:40 AM

Public forum. Aim high. Our remarks could be monitored by the A$$H:eek:les. Just sayin'

Mwindaji 05-03-2012 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by uaav8r (Post 1181021)
Public forum. Aim high. Our remarks could be monitored by the A$$H:eek:les. Just sayin'

I hope management and the union is monitoring this forum so they will know how ****ed off we all are. I expect a lot more in the contract than what I listed as minimum items. As far as I am concerned these things I listed are not negotiable. Of course I can only speak for myself. The reason I started this thread was to see what else should be added to this minimum list so I and others will be more informed when a vote does come up for a JCBA. One thing I forgot to put on this list was SCOPE. The last contract was a POS. I demand respect for my profession and if the company yahoos can’t figure that out then they can ______ _______. I let others fill in the blank.

syd111 05-03-2012 07:05 AM

No more 2.8 hours vacation day or training day.

Airhoss 05-03-2012 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by uaav8r (Post 1181021)
Public forum. Aim high. Our remarks could be monitored by the A$$H:eek:les. Just sayin'

There is no could be about it. We are being monitored on this site.

tkhayes90 05-03-2012 07:52 AM

No Capts in the right seat.

Must have pay caps.

REAL Pilot 05-03-2012 08:09 AM


Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 1181084)
There is no could be about it. We are being monitored on this site.

I hope so- that way mgt scum can appreciate how inept they are relative to the aviation greats that organized this industry. 40 years ago, mgt was composed of astronauts, war heros and aviation pioneers. Now we have weak (morally), corrupt, short sighted managers that offer NO real value to the operation. RELEASE US NOW!!!!!!!!

Carpe Diem

HSLD 05-03-2012 09:10 AM

Significant improvements in all sections, with outstanding improvement to scope (domestic and international), work rules, and pay.

Full retro pay (no signing bonuses!) which includes back-contributions to retirement funds from the amendable date forward.

DirectLawOnly 05-03-2012 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by tkhayes90 (Post 1181109)
Must have pay caps.

Explain this to me. I see this as a bad thing. I understand flight time caps but pay caps? I thought we liked soft time?


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