gettinbumped

I've been paying ALPA dues for a LOOONNNNNGGGG time. I don't have to be a "sucker" to know what stinks in Herndon.

1) Age 65 support
2) Support of 9 hours of flight time per day, which will put most Europe/East Coast in play with 2 pilots with mild retiming of flights
3) FDT improvements all geared towards RJ operations
4) LM refusing to sign a formal request for release after years of negotiations

Fine. I'll buy your pay analysis. Moak has 45 days to get a TA at UAL or request a release from the NMB or I'm quite sure ALPA is done at UAL.

PCL_128

I agree with you that supporting Age 65 was a mistake. But who made that mistake? Certainly not Captain Moak. He was a lowly MEC Chairman at the time.

The new FT/DT rules are based on science, not on your personal preferences. The science backs up certain things that all of us may not like, such as 9 hours of block, but the overall FT/DT rules are a vast improvement. In the areas that we don't like the new rules, then we can always have better work rules in our CBAs that more closely conform to our preferences, even if they aren't supported by the science. In most cases, the complaints by mainline pilots about the new rules are already addressed in their existing work rules, and don't even require new bargaining efforts.

When exactly did this request get denied? I'm pretty sure I would have heard about something as big as the ALPA president flat out refusing an MEC's request for a letter to the NMB requesting a proffer. Perhaps you can point to some evidence of this refusal?

How are you so sure that requesting a proffer from the NMB is the correct move? Have you talked to the professional negotiators and attorneys who deal with the NMB on a daily basis? Do you know what the NMB has been saying to your negotiators and MEC officers? Do you have a phone patch to the White House to know what the president's reaction is going to be to a pilot group pushing for a release before the November elections?

I don't know whether requesting a release is right or wrong at this point. But I do know that pilots issuing ultimatums without having all of the facts is rarely a good idea.

ewrbasedpilot

Funny how often this comes up. What most don't realize though is that we could've spent $100,000,000 on fighting this, but Bush was going to sign it whether we liked it or not..............plain and simple. Why waste money on something you KNOW is going to happen anyway. We talk about all the money being tossed away, yet we're okay with blowing money on a losing proposition? Seems pretty dumb to me.................

Justdoinmyjob

That's the American way of life.

gettinbumped

I'm on a phone so can't break out without tons of work.

Doesn't matter who was at the helm for Age 65. It's ALPA that's failing... One chairman after another.

FDT regs- BS it's based on science. It's political. Flying across the pond 2 pilots is somehow BETTER and SAFER? How can flying MORE hours be less fatiguing? Have you flown back from Europe to the US? Doing that with 2 guys after getting a lousy nights sleep is going to be nasty. By the way, I've submitted this question to ALPA national and ALPA magazine twice and been ignored.

You don't understand how contract negotiations work. If restrictions such as 8 hours flying or 3 pilot Atlantic crossings are in our contract now, it's because those were the FAR's. The company will now demand that our contract conform to your new science-based FAR's. It WILL take negotiating capital to keep those rules in place. Period. End of story.

Have you seen Moak's signature on the April 30th request for release? Didn't think so. When I see it, I'll retract. You can try to argue semantics all you want but he hasn't signed it. Period. End of story.

Requesting release is the official position of my MC. You know, the guy who has spent more time with the NMB than anyone involved. He's my leader, and I do what he asks. I've paid tens of thousands of dollars to ALPA for this very moment. I've been a proud ALPA supporter for decades, but they are increasingly failing. We are at the tipping point. You can continue to debate with yourself about what the NMB is thinking and what the best course of action is. The hard evidence is in my corner. Number of major sections settled YEARS into negotiations? -1. You say requesting release without all the facts is foolish. I didn't request release. Jay Heppner did. You know, the guy with ALL the facts.

Quote your ALPA National talking points all you want. Talk time is over. ALPA supports us NOW or they are history. You think the assessment for the dork up of TWA representation is going to be bad???? Wait until you are paying the UAL assessment!!

gettinbumped

Absolutely 100% spin. I wasn't asking ALPA to spent $100,000,000 fighting the Age 65 rule. We were going to lose that fight. The age was going to change, I agree with you on that fact. However, you DON'T change your position just because it's a losing battle. Do you think ALPA is going to suddenly support cabotage just because they are on the losing side? No way.

Prater was elected on an Age 65 platform. He spun polls, stacked his "Blue Ribbon Panels", and spewed all sorts of BS about supporting the change so we could control how it was written. Apparently it worked on you. The majority of us saw right through this for what it was... A political move to get around the simple fact that the majority of ALPA pilots didn't want what ALPA National wanted. Something I will NEVER forget.

Carl Spackler

Notwithstanding PCL_128's spin of LM-2's being misleading documents, LM-2's break out salary versus expenses. They don't lump them together. They are a required form to filled out by the union and sent to the government.

So what does it show? Does it show Mr. Moak getting a large increase in salary, or doesn't it?

Carl

PCL_128

As they say, you just can't fix stupid.

Carl Spackler

I know this is how questions are answered by most ALPA apologists, but stupid notwithstanding, what does the LM-2 show? Does it show Mr. Moak getting a large increase in salary, or doesn't it?

Carl

PCL_128

Since you're too lazy to go look for it yourself on the ALPA web site, I've done the work for you. Here's the resolution that lays out in great details what Captain Moak gets paid, which was ratified by the entire ALPA Board of Directors unanimously at the 2010 BOD meeting:


SUBJECT
National Officer Compensation and Expense Allowance

SOURCE
Constitutional Requirement

AGENDA ITEM
AI #2

RESOLUTION OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS

RESOLUTION #1

PRESIDENTIAL COMPENSATION

WHEREAS the 1970 Board of Directors adopted a policy of a fixed formula for calculating Presidential compensation, which has been continued since that date with modifications and additions deemed appropriate by the Board of Directors in 1974, 1978, 1982, 1986, 1990, 1994, 1998, 2002 and 2006, and

WHEREAS certain modifications to this policy are deemed appropriate by the 2010 Board of Directors,

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the Board of Directors policy on Presidential compensation be reaffirmed with the following modifications. The allowances and allocations described herein shall take effect on January 1, 2011, in accordance with the following:

A. DIRECT COMPENSATION

1. Monthly Base Presidential Compensation based upon the highest of the following:

a. The average of the highest paying line Captain positions, based on the hourly book pay rates (1/2 day plus 1/2 night, if applicable) at the applicable average monthly maximum contract hours, of the five highest paying ALPA carriers;

b. The hourly book pay rate (1/2 day plus 1/2 night, if applicable) at the average monthly maximum contract hours the President is entitled to hold in accordance with his system seniority on his airline; or

c. The Flight Pay Loss calculated for officer compensation for the offices of First Vice President, Vice President–Administration/Secretary, or Vice President–Finance/ Treasurer.

2. Monthly Total Presidential Compensation shall equal Monthly Base Presidential Compensation as calculated in Paragraph 1 above plus a Presidential Override of 26% of Monthly Base Presidential Compensation.

3. Pursuant to Section 60.M.1.a.(1) of the ALPA Administrative Manual, the compensation and allowances of the President shall be published quarterly in an electronic format.

B. PENSION AND FRINGE BENEFITS

1. The President shall be eligible to participate and entitled to receive, in addition to Total Presidential Compensation, benefits from any pension, medical, disability or other welfare plan of benefits sponsored by ALPA or provided to ALPA bargaining unit or non-bargaining unit staff as the Vice President–Finance/ Treasurer shall determine, provided further that the Vice President–Finance/Treasurer, at his or her discretion, in coordination with the 401(k) plan, for each calendar year or portion thereof that the President has served in office, shall provide for a single premium annuity commencing at age 55 or termination of office, whichever is later, providing a benefit equal to 5% for each such year, up to a maximum of 60%, applied to the Total Presidential Compensation as computed in Paragraph A above.

2. Should the sum of retirement benefits from the air carrier and ALPA result in the President’s retirement being less than that he or she would have received at his or her own airline had he or she not served as President, the Executive Board will adjust the retirement benefit accordingly.

C. NATIONAL OFFICER SUPPLEMENTAL PER DIEM EXPENSE ALLOWANCE

Effective January 1, 2011, the President shall receive a monthly supplemental per diem expense allowance equal to the maximum allowable under Administrative Manual Section 60.D.1.c.4.