ewrbasedpilot

Or we could vote for the Republicans and screw ourselves even MORE. Maybe a "Romeny" presidency could ensure an age 70 retirement. Wouldn't that be grand????

ewrbasedpilot

But you can continue to spout your "anti-union" drivel and THAT is okay on an airline forum. I'd love to see those that support the "right" go without a union and see how well they'd do for themselves. My bet is management would have them at minimum wage within a few months.......................then they could complain how the "union" didn't support them...............

Old UCAL CA

You are correct. That would be very likely to happen. Especially in a fiercely competitive industry that has an over-supply of pilot labor.

I also think you would find that most "Republican" pilots understand that there are much bigger, macro issues affecting the country than the minor pilot issues, "drivel" if you will, that are tossed about on an anonymous blog site. We are an extremely small slice.

flyingfarmer

Have not had a Union for going on 4 years, or job for that matter, doing just fine... Thank you! Union and Company are neither fans of mine. Oh, and if the contract has ZERO longevity for furloughed pilots, I doubt I will ever be a happy union member again... Are you paying attention NC?

krudawg

There you go again...personal attacks, name calling. I guess this is what most would call Liberal tolerance? I happen to lean to the right and that makes me "anti-union" Why is that?? I'm a dues paying ALPA member and proudly display my pin on my tie. You know, eventually, if you keep calling people names that happen to disagree with your politics you will likely be labeled unstable or at the very least a crank.

Old UCAL CA

You missed the point because unions are a problem from an institutional standpoint. But since you brought up scope and old guys...

You can't force uncompetitive scope in the collective bargaining environment unless you're willing to trade an equivalent.

To wit, you can fly all large airplanes for next to nothing, or you can fly a mix of small and large aircraft in the industry for something. But you won't and can't force any company or industry to accept an uncompetitive scope provision unless you're willing to trade the equivalent cost. Nor is it in your best, long-term interest because you'll likely be out of a job sooner rather than later.

Ciao, Junior

ewrbasedpilot

But you vote AGAINST labor? You call us "liberals" (and now think if I give my views I'm a crank or unstable (isn't that namecalling????), so if I call you you "far right" or "anti-union" (is the "far right" supportive of unions? Last I saw they were AGAINST them), I'm calling you names............oh brother. Displaying your union pin while voting against organized labor is typical of the far right. They want the protections but not what comes with it................ I just flew with a "very conservative" guy who was against everything labor stands for, but thought he didn't make enough money and deserved MORE pay and benefits.............yet that is EXACTLY what he votes AGAINST. By the end of the trip I think he thought he was doing nothing but shooting himself in the foot and wondering how that happened............

SlickMachine

If you are going to name call, you should at least make an attempt not to sound like an angry high school senior who has the world figured out. He's not so good at that.

Ottopilot

Democrat or republican will have zero affect on our union and job. Look to the past and see. ALPA is broken. The RLA is broken. Our government is broken (with either party in control). Wasn't Clinton the last president to stop an airline strike?

flyingfarmer

100% agree, RLA has outlived its' use and perceived need, should be abolished over a 10 year period or less...R and D leadership... very little difference!