Temporary Hardship.

Who's "he"?

 

So what happens if you are hired off the street in Sept/Oct, and a couple months later there is a contract and SLI. Would you be furloughed or just remain at the very bottom while a 1000+ guys come back?

 

I'm not 100% (rumor around the cooler) on this, however, from what I hear...there will be a "no flush or bump clause". Which basically means you hold your position and are not furloughed,however, when a position becomes available, that individual who is senior to you, moves into that position. You will be stagnate for quite sometime. (

 

If you were going to be stagnate for some time, 737 reserve is a good place to be stagnate.

 

"...while a 1000+ guys come back? "

Shoot the airline's over 1000 pilot short right now for the summer flying and this Dec. the retirements kick in so I would wager being furloughed is the least of the worries.

 

You make a funny joke..

 

Just my opinion..
At some point in the near future, hiring will HAVE to start. Question becomes, is it only on the CAL side or is it "United". That's up to the company. When they decide to offer us a real contract, we'll become a Unified, Real Airline.

That being said-
If "CAL" hires in the Fall due to retirements AND 73/78 aircraft deliveries (in 2013).. then a couple of things COULD happen in the future.
1) All those hired will have numbers that go after the UAL Furloughs. So, one day IF we ever truly merge, those new hires will be behind the UAL Furloughs (who return). It is the correct thing.
B) All those hired COULD potentially be furloughed in the next few years (depending on Scope and what's in a JCBA)

That being said, I would say that anyone hired here at sCAL in the Fall wouldn't be in that bad of a place. Yes, potentially you will still have a couple of hundred more pilots being placed in front of you someday after a JCBA and a Seniority List Integration.. But- you will have you number with the "combined" airline.
You can still apply to anyone and everyone in the next few years while things settle down over here. Worse case, you're stuck on the bottom of the list here vs. being at some regional or jobless after getting out of the military.

Looking down the road in 5-10 years.. if you're hired at the beginning of this wave, you'll be in a pretty decent place IF United is still around by that time. Me, it's 50-50 that we'll survive that long based on the current management team.

Again, this is just my opinion~

Motch

 

That's something they should think about before taking a job with UAL. With a new contract and the SLI you can bet that there will be lots of guys saying yes to the recall. The furloughed guys can come rolling in over the next 6 years as well. The 1st batch of UAL pilots to be furloughed on the second go around was in Septrmber 08. They have recall rights until Sept 2018.

 

FWIW, about 25% of the furloughed UAL pilots will have already returned to the property (via the S-CAL offer) or are scheduled to return by the Oct 30th class.

With probably only another 25% ever returning (wild guess based on the last cycle) between now and 2019 and around 500 retirements per year indefinitely, I'd suggest that any perceived "stagnation" will be mild unless UAL shrinks in size.

In an interesting twist, the L-UAL side is reactivating the new-hire department in DEN and also hiring A320 instructors; at L-LUAL all instructors must be sourced from active pilots on the seniority list per the current pilot contract.

Either UCH is hedging their bets on separate ops or perhaps they anticipate new hires at both training centers in the not too distant future?

 

I am not saying this isn't true, Do you have a source/proof? The manpower planing guy on the UAL side now reports to the CAL manpower planning guy (CB). The CAL guy is notorious for running extremely thin pilot staffing.

Does anybody know if the new-hire/recruitment departments have been combined?

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