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Originally Posted by embflieger (Post 1266257)

On that note, I know some of us are literally banking on new pay rates. If the JCBA never comes through, there's just no way to last at antiquated bankruptcy first year wages for some people. But it's cool, I like ramen. No, not really.

Hopefully we can change that........improve the first year pay. We need to change the "I got mine pull up the ladder" attitude at CAL and UAL.

The 6 month no medical is a Lorenzo holdover that needs to go!

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Originally Posted by skippy (Post 1266164)

Ummmm, dal got longevity and dal pay. Ual CAN afford it.

Hey Skippy, I agree, but all I was saying is that I feel longevity pay is something they may use to bargin with. I know DAL got it, and I know UAL can afford it, but here we are.

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Originally Posted by Richiscool (Post 1266342)

Hey Skippy, I agree, but all I was saying is that I feel longevity pay is something they may use to bargin with. I know DAL got it, and I know UAL can afford it, but here we are.

We'll get it

I would rather be at 4th year pay, then 1st year pay, that's for sure!

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Originally Posted by Richiscool (Post 1266395)

I would rather be at 4th year pay, then 1st year pay, that's for sure!

But 1st year pay builds character and 4th year pay doesn't.

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Originally Posted by beeker (Post 1266413)

But 1st year pay builds character and 4th year pay doesn't.

I thought 4 years of furlough built character. :)

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Originally Posted by Richiscool (Post 1266430)

I thought 4 years of furlough built character. :)

true, but when you come back some of the senior ones will tell you another year of character building, first year pay, won't hurt you.

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Originally Posted by Richiscool (Post 1266395)

I would rather be at 4th year pay, then 1st year pay, that's for sure!

I'd rather be at 12th year pay instead of 4th year pay, you know what I mean?

We shall see if this TA sees the light of day just exactly what our ALPA negotiating committee thinks of us furloughees.

SCR

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Originally Posted by jumppilot (Post 1266286)

Don't use first year pay as an excuse not to come over. Too many people have fallen for that trap and now they have 10-15+ years at a regional.

I've been at UCAL for 5 years and it is by far superior to a regional.

First 3 years at CURRENT rates were not the most fun but I'm now making more money than I was at the regional I was at.

With that said, we need drastic improvements but please look long term.

That's just it, I already came over. Look at it this way: I'm happy to have a job, don't think I'm not. My last gig went bankrupt. But we don't (do we?) get to count our time in training towards "time of service". It's conceivable that not only do I and the other UAL furloughees going to Continental get bankruptcy first year pay, we get to deal with it during training, twice. It takes 14 months or so to get to 2nd year pay. If someone were to have nearly finished their first year at UAL, they presently have to "do it over" at Continental until there's a JCBA. That's up to 28 months at the bottom. And every contract I've ever seen has been top-loaded. One of the instructors last time had this to say about it: "Well, everybody starves the first year."

The problem is "everybody" is not your 28-32 year old pilot with a very young or no family at all, and minimal financial responsibilities. Most, if not all, are in their 40's, with maturing families, and have major financial responsibilities.

Just another case of pegging a salary $1 more than what the employee would walk away from the career for. Does the company recognize experience and the benefit it brings to the table, or do they view the 28 and 45 year old pilot in the same light? Cheap labor?