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Old 11-13-2012, 06:13 PM
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It's been pretty quiet about the raging debate over retro pay should be a signing bonus.
I guess all the b3 (bottom 3rd) figured out that since the bus and guppies got the biggest raise under this TA that calling it retro and distributing based on W2 wages is now Fair. Imagine that.
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Old 11-13-2012, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by krudawg View Post
It's been pretty quiet about the raging debate over retro pay should be a signing bonus.
I guess all the b3 (bottom 3rd) figured out that since the bus and guppies got the biggest raise under this TA that calling it retro and distributing based on W2 wages is now Fair. Imagine that.
What makes you think that? I didn't see anyone say that it's now fair.
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by krudawg View Post
It's been pretty quiet about the raging debate over retro pay should be a signing bonus.
I guess all the b3 (bottom 3rd) figured out that since the bus and guppies got the biggest raise under this TA that calling it retro and distributing based on W2 wages is now Fair. Imagine that.
Ah this 'Guppy' Driver is getting 12% at DOS, the lowest of any pay band. Imagine that! Yes I fly mostly 800/900. Try to think a touch before you chastise people ahead of time.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by krudawg View Post
It's been pretty quiet about the raging debate over retro pay should be a signing bonus.
I guess all the b3 (bottom 3rd) figured out that since the bus and guppies got the biggest raise under this TA that calling it retro and distributing based on W2 wages is now Fair. Imagine that.

Ummm... here are the numbers old timer. How is it that the 73 gets highest raise????

Starting year 1 to year 12 from current UAL and CAL contract raises

UAL FO A-319 46% 42% 27% 25% 25% 25% 25% 25% 25% 24% 24% 24%
UAL FO A-320 46% 44% 30% 28% 28% 28% 28% 28% 28% 27% 27% 27%

CAL FO B737-500 49% 36% 36% 29% 24% 19% 19% 19% 18% 17% 17% 17%
CAL FO B737-700 49% 36% 36% 29% 24% 19% 19% 19% 18% 17% 17% 17%
CAL FO B737-800 49% 31% 30% 23% 17% 12% 12% 12% 11% 11% 10% 10%
CAL FO B737-900 49% 31% 30% 23% 17% 12% 12% 12% 11% 11% 10% 10%

CAL 737 guys get the lowest raises on this POS wanna be TA.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:43 PM
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What's the duration and can someone post a pay chart?
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Originally Posted by krudawg View Post
It's been pretty quiet about the raging debate over retro pay should be a signing bonus.
I guess all the b3 (bottom 3rd) figured out that since the bus and guppies got the biggest raise under this TA that calling it retro and distributing based on W2 wages is now Fair. Imagine that.
Interesting that the company refuses to acknowledge the grossly inadequate $400m as retro, but the UAL MEC calls it that and is divvying up the money with another formula (see bond distro), and not a crumb for the furloughees. Let the lawsuits begin...

IMO, we need Retro and Equity. They are not one in the same, they are based on different principles. This Lump Sum is crap.

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Old 11-13-2012, 08:57 PM
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jsled.... Bill Lumberg?!
That's funny! Whatever happened to that master salesman and "future 717A"?
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Old 11-14-2012, 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by NJGov View Post
anyone that can PM me a copy of the TA, please? I'm not a CAL/UAL guy so I don't have access to the forum (or maybe I'm just not tech-savvy enough?)

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Old 11-14-2012, 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by apc1432 View Post
From the united contract 2012 Website:

Section 3 Compensation

Increased pay rates of 18-36%. "matches" Delta Airlines rates at DOS.


......matches for the next 47 days, till JAN 01 2013!!!! Then DAL gets a 8.5% pay increase and we wait until 2014 to get ours!!!

Hey United and CAL MECs, dont forget to finish your sentences!!!! Ohh, but wait...then it doesn't sound so good.
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Old 11-14-2012, 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by horrido27 View Post
20-K-6-f-(3) Example: A Short Call Reserve whose assignment begins at 0600 and ends at 2000 may be released from the assignment at 0700 and given a flying assignment that reports at 1700.

Not sure if you have even read the entire document.. (I've read it once, on my 2nd read through now)

Not sure if you're good at Math, but the above allows for 10 (yupe.. TEN) hours between "reserve assignments", not to mention the "Double Pump" that we were told was a no go item.

NO

C'mon Motch. That is after an UNUSED short call. ie. you never left your house! 12:45 is after returning to base after a flying assignment. That's 14:00 block to block. Double pump? ok, after 14 hours instead of what??? the 9 you have now??

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C'mon Motch. I spent 8 hrs reading this beotch yesterday. 12:45 is after returning to base after a flying assignment. That's 14:00 block to block before your next flying assignment. Double pump? ok, after 14 hours instead of what??? the 9 you have now??

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