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11-13-2012 | 01:18 PM
#82
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Airlines could face most serious pilot shortage since 1960s
Supply and demand is here now!
Airlines could face most serious pilot shortage since 1960s | Watch the video - Yahoo! News
99% Strike vote says NO! or be a sled.
Jeff and company paid themselves very nicely with this merger...now they want you to finance it.
Supply and demand is here now!
Airlines could face most serious pilot shortage since 1960s | Watch the video - Yahoo! News
99% Strike vote says NO! or be a sled.
Jeff and company paid themselves very nicely with this merger...now they want you to finance it.
11-13-2012 | 01:20 PM
#83
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From: B-777 left
While all of you are thumping your chests and looking to see what's between your legs I have just spent over 3 hours reviewing the actual agreement and the info on the ALPA web site.
Is it a "sales job?" In no way would I consider it that at all. In fact my reps (two out of three voted yes) identify the difficulty of the TA and voted after careful consideration to pass it on to us.
On the ALPA site you will find the actual words of the contract, include the kind of retro bonus distribution methods (CAL's is different than UAL's).
My observations:
Most of the work rule changes are minor improvements for the LUAL pilots. The most onerous is the changes giving the ability to move days off when on reserve. Limited to 1 domestic and more for International. But, there is a compensating ability to establish holy days each month that can not be touched by the crew desk.
The CAL side seems to have retained the ability to fly and get paid for "soft" time and up to 1000 hours annually hard time. Something new to LUAL.
The pay increases is less than many want, but this TA adds the ability (something for LUAL) for "premium pay."
Improved rules and language on layovers, times, hotels and transportation.
The LUAL MEC has developed an extremely fair system of decided how much each individual pilot will get of the retro-bonus funds.
The early out program will give an incentive to those with 60 months or less before retirement to leave.
Scope appears to be more restrictive on the LUAL side, but obviously not so for the LCAL side.
The furlough credit issue has me a bit pondered. It was my impression that credit for pay longevity was based only on time actually accrued on property prior to involuntary furlough. The agreement seems to address the issue of the ISL and what ifs when a more senior DOH is merged with the more Jr. CAL pilot.
Overall it is a net positive contract for LUAL and more so for LCAL pilots, but is it enough for many? According to you shouters it isn't. I can live with that and if it fails, but can you if it passes?
Go read the actual contract and thank your Reps for all their hard work, regardless of how you vote.
Is it a "sales job?" In no way would I consider it that at all. In fact my reps (two out of three voted yes) identify the difficulty of the TA and voted after careful consideration to pass it on to us.
On the ALPA site you will find the actual words of the contract, include the kind of retro bonus distribution methods (CAL's is different than UAL's).
My observations:
Most of the work rule changes are minor improvements for the LUAL pilots. The most onerous is the changes giving the ability to move days off when on reserve. Limited to 1 domestic and more for International. But, there is a compensating ability to establish holy days each month that can not be touched by the crew desk.
The CAL side seems to have retained the ability to fly and get paid for "soft" time and up to 1000 hours annually hard time. Something new to LUAL.
The pay increases is less than many want, but this TA adds the ability (something for LUAL) for "premium pay."
Improved rules and language on layovers, times, hotels and transportation.
The LUAL MEC has developed an extremely fair system of decided how much each individual pilot will get of the retro-bonus funds.
The early out program will give an incentive to those with 60 months or less before retirement to leave.
Scope appears to be more restrictive on the LUAL side, but obviously not so for the LCAL side.
The furlough credit issue has me a bit pondered. It was my impression that credit for pay longevity was based only on time actually accrued on property prior to involuntary furlough. The agreement seems to address the issue of the ISL and what ifs when a more senior DOH is merged with the more Jr. CAL pilot.
Overall it is a net positive contract for LUAL and more so for LCAL pilots, but is it enough for many? According to you shouters it isn't. I can live with that and if it fails, but can you if it passes?
Go read the actual contract and thank your Reps for all their hard work, regardless of how you vote.
11-13-2012 | 01:29 PM
#84
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Probation/Longevity
Can someone explain to me what year my husband would go back to for purpose of longevity pay if he didn't quite finish his probation year (one month left) before he got furloughed(Jan 2009)? He is overseas and can't read the contract quite yet. Thanks for any info.
11-13-2012 | 02:28 PM
#87
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Oh, I'll talk smack. Some of the stuff you guys put up with is unbelievable. Good thing this contract corrects a lot of that stuff.
Paid parking for commuters
Hotel for your pc. Even if based in IAH (ygtbsm, you didn't have that)
FC travel to/from pc
Dh Econ plus or better-FC international
9 hrs behind the door
12:45 rest between reserve assignments
These are just a few examples of gains for Cal pilots. Status quo (no concession) for Ual pilots.
Sled
Paid parking for commuters
Hotel for your pc. Even if based in IAH (ygtbsm, you didn't have that)
FC travel to/from pc
Dh Econ plus or better-FC international
9 hrs behind the door
12:45 rest between reserve assignments
These are just a few examples of gains for Cal pilots. Status quo (no concession) for Ual pilots.
Sled
That stuff isn't a "get"
That's how you should treat your aircraft commanders and the people who make this airline run. The rest and augmentation stuff is all in the new FAR's. Why is that a "get"? It's not, it's just the future of the airline business because our management's were abusing us for too long and it caught up with them.
11-13-2012 | 02:31 PM
#88
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Oh, I'll talk smack. Some of the stuff you guys put up with is unbelievable. Good thing this contract corrects a lot of that stuff.
Paid parking for commuters
Hotel for your pc. Even if based in IAH (ygtbsm, you didn't have that)
FC travel to/from pc
Dh Econ plus or better-FC international
9 hrs behind the door
12:45 rest between reserve assignments
These are just a few examples of gains for Cal pilots. Status quo (no concession) for Ual pilots.
Sled
Paid parking for commuters
Hotel for your pc. Even if based in IAH (ygtbsm, you didn't have that)
FC travel to/from pc
Dh Econ plus or better-FC international
9 hrs behind the door
12:45 rest between reserve assignments
These are just a few examples of gains for Cal pilots. Status quo (no concession) for Ual pilots.
Sled
11-13-2012 | 02:32 PM
#89
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You mean except for the 40-63% pay raises? That's not a sharp stick in the eye. Besides, there are other gets here for us.
14 hr downtown layovers.
2 captain augment on long flights.
M5D...huge for Hi flying
1/3.5
Inc vac and training pay
Inc RSV guarantee
Pay premiums
Sled
14 hr downtown layovers.
2 captain augment on long flights.
M5D...huge for Hi flying
1/3.5
Inc vac and training pay
Inc RSV guarantee
Pay premiums
Sled
11-13-2012 | 02:34 PM
#90
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Your grading scale must be stuck back in 1983.
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