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Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 1292987)

Currently getting $108.22.. 6th yr 756 FO.
Reserve, 76 hours.

1 Jan 13 if TA becomes JCBA- $117.67.

um, how is that 40-63%?
Raise of $9.45

Motch

Airbus Captain current rate 137/hr
DOS........188/hr (37%)
Jan 2017.......224/hr (63%)

Sled

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Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1293230)

And to save money. For example, are you happy the first class DH survived? Look again. It still says "at time of booking." UAL pilots assume that this booking will still take place, as it does now, when the monthly schedules come when there are still open first class seats. CAL pilots know, since it doesn't say when the booking has to take place, the company will just change the time of booking to 24 hours before the flight, when there are no first class seats left. "Time of booking" not specified in the contract, problem solved. No more pilots in first class.

UAL pilots have no idea how this management views a contract. And as this is a completely new one every line is ungrieved virgin territory. They will interpret it in ways you could not imagine and just rope-a-dope us in the RLA grievance process just as they have the negotiations until we just give up from fatigue--just like many feel now.

The only hope is to vote this down, in a big way, to get full retro up front, immediate industry leading pay rates, makes some gains on scope, and tighten up the language. It's the only solace we're gonna have for six plus four years.

Our management played the same games. Maybe not to the same extent, but First Class DH on domestic flights was almost non existant after our 2003 contract. The new language is better.

From the TA:

5-C-2 Global Flight Deadheading
When On-Line deadheading on a Global Flight, a Pilot shall be booked positive space. Pilots shall be booked in Business Class, if available at the time of booking. If Business Class is unavailable, the booking shall be in First Class, if available at the time of booking. If both
Business Class and First Class are unavailable, Business Class shall be overbooked to accommodate the Pilot, unless Business Class does not exist on the aircraft, in which case First Class shall be overbooked to accommodate the Pilot. When a Pilot is booked in Business Class, he may be upgraded to First Class at the gate on the day of Departure, but only after all revenue passenger upgrades have been accommodated (e.g., MileagePlus upgrades). When a
Pilot is overbooked in Business Class or First Class, he shall be boarded in Business Class or First Class and may not be downgraded to Economy Class (including Economy Plus). In no case shall a Pilot whose deadheading is booked under this Section 5-C-2 be required to deadhead in Economy Class (including Economy Plus).

5-C-1-d When deadheading to or from any assignment, if the deadhead leg is greater than eight (8) hours or the total amount of deadheading in the Duty Period is greater than eight
(8) hours, the Pilot shall be booked in accordance with the provisions of Section 5-C-2. (above)

5-C-1-h A deadheading Pilot booked in First or Business Class shall not be downgraded to Economy Class to accommodate an upgraded passenger.

5-C-1-e A Pilot whose deadhead is booked under this Section 5-C-1 shall not be required to deadhead in Economy Class if the seat is not an Economy Plus seat except that:
5-C-1-e-(1) If the aircraft is not configured with Economy Plus seating, then premium Economy Class seating that has extra legroom shall satisfy a requirement to be seated in Economy Plus.
5-C-1-e-(2) If the aircraft is not configured with Economy Plus seating, premium Economy Class seating, Business Class or First Class, the Pilot may be seated in Economy Class even if the seat is not Economy Plus.

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Originally Posted by SoCentralRain (Post 1292988)

Yep. What he said.

Courage, **** just GET SOME. You can wait another 9-12 months.

I've waited over 8 years on furlough. Don't tell me about running out of patience.

So...get up, stand up. Stand up for your rights. Sound off ******.

SCR

Wait for what? another TA that is the same dollar cost to the company only a year or so later?? That's what history shows. No thank you.

Sled

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Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1293227)

SCR, Just had some beers with a UAL council rep. Smart fellow. He explained the impossible position The CAL reps put them in....Delay the TA or compromise with Longevity and move on. The latter would give furloughees a 30% + raise (< $10 dollars or so short per hour than if you got full longevity) or hold up the TA because of CAL ALPA's SLI strategy. The choice was hard but clear.

Sled

Ditto,

J,POS held us hostage and is the one who slammed our fourloughees on this deal. Surprise surprise... I can't wait for the ISL.

J.P. might want to get himself a bodyguard after this is over...

Actually we are all legally CAL pilots even though we are furloughed from UAL. We are new hires. JPOS as "our" MEC chairman has the legal responsibility to represent out best interest.
Think we all know what is in progress now. Between the TWA DFR and this, ALPA is done.

When does voting start/end?

Thanks

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Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1293294)

Wait for what? another TA that is the same dollar cost to the company only a year or so later?? That's what history shows. No thank you.

Sled

Exactly. People that think we can turn this down and see another much better deal in 3 months weren't paying attention over the last 3 years. Even after the TA announcement, the company was able to delay things 6 weeks. If I hear the word "synergy" again I just might puke.

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Originally Posted by UalHvy (Post 1293461)

This is the first time it is in control of the pilot group. Don't settle for scraps! This does not even match Delta. You are a professional!! Don't let them insult you like that!

...and i"ll do $100 bet with you that we will def see a deal within 3 months if it goes down. IAH 73 fo, I'll stand by my word

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Originally Posted by CAL 73 (Post 1293549)

Ok. I actually hope to lose this bet. I'll take it.

Wow, would Duane Woerth would be PROUD of this TA! Unfortunately, I see this abortion of a TA getting voted in while the soft-sisters like Sled look to everyone else to do the heavy lifting and get the contract improvements...