If it gets voted down 80-20 they will have to do a heck of a lot more. Time for the 99% who voted for the strike to back it up.


Get out the vote, people.

I read somewhere in the explaination section that scope specifically addresses this. Aer Lingus was actually the eg.

Couldn't agree more -

So when the reserve comes in at the end of his 4 day at 9am, he can take the midnight redeye out. Or come on call at 3am, they don't need you then give you a evening departure. Same crap they do now. Assume all provisions will be whittled down due to no staffing-ever. Constant short call. 90 reserve hours before bypass? Cal loses 3 hours of guarantee with same days off unless we "earn" some back? No seniority based call out times and no ability to pass. Just FIFO. Remember, anything that looks remotely beneficial will be manipulated and abused in ways you haven't seen yet because of improper staffing. At least they have 9 months to implement reserve areas if I recall- get them through another summer.

SCR, Just had some beers with a UAL council rep. Smart fellow. He explained the impossible position The CAL reps put them in....Delay the TA or compromise with Longevity and move on. The latter would give furloughees a 30% + raise (< $10 dollars or so short per hour than if you got full longevity) or hold up the TA because of CAL ALPA's SLI strategy. The choice was hard but clear.

Sled

And to save money. For example, are you happy the first class DH survived? Look again. It still says "at time of booking." UAL pilots assume that this booking will still take place, as it does now, when the monthly schedules come when there are still open first class seats. CAL pilots know, since it doesn't say when the booking has to take place, the company will just change the time of booking to 24 hours before the flight, when there are no first class seats left. "Time of booking" not specified in the contract, problem solved. No more pilots in first class.

UAL pilots have no idea how this management views a contract. And as this is a completely new one every line is ungrieved virgin territory. They will interpret it in ways you could not imagine and just rope-a-dope us in the RLA grievance process just as they have the negotiations until we just give up from fatigue--just like many feel now.

The only hope is to vote this down, in a big way, to get full retro up front, immediate industry leading pay rates, makes some gains on scope, and tighten up the language. It's the only solace we're gonna have for six plus four years.

True it is a signing bonus but is being distributed proportionally as if it were a retro only smaller. Seems a fair way to go, even though it's short.

That example you gave of interpreting the F class DH situation just made me sick to think that the regional management mentality really exists in the legacy level... On behalf of all of us outside looking in, do everyone and favor and get what you deserve in unbreakable language.

Can I borrow $100,000 from you? I promise to pay you $8,000 back 4 years from now and call it even.




Still sound fair?

Not exactly. The company will be saving app. 1.3M per day without this contract and will be in no hurry. They will want to change this and that, the NMB will want ALPA to do a Wilson Poll to determine why the contract failed... In the end, you'll end up with the same dollar cost to the company just rearranged to make it look better. At least go to a road show before you vote. This has all been done before, over and over. The results for labor are not pretty.

Sled