Correction on Longevity
 

Gypsy is correct. Got a call from the LAX LEC chair and he amended his statement.

the longetivity credit is limited, not actual longevity. They use the date of 5/6/08, so basically 4 1/2 years of longevity. You can be credited longevity if you have less than 4 1/2 years actual, but only up to 4 1/2 years. If you have more than 4 1/2 years actual longevity (say you have 6), then it looks like we will not get any credit. Nowhere do I see that we will be limited in actual pay longevity to 4 1/2 years. You get what you have.

In addition, it appears this credit limit last only until an SLI is in place, when additional longevity credit can be given beyond that given at Date of Signing, "...provided further that the application of such additional credit does not result in any s-United pilot having a pay longevity date that is earlier than the pay longevity date of the next most senior s-Continental pilot."

Thanks for the reserve question answer EWR73FO.... I appreciate it!

Oops, did I say that out loud? but yes some of that group. What may be 5% of any other group seems to be 30% of this demoG... They are however maturing as many are now getting married and having kids, taking care of some responsibilities etc... but there are more than a few that still live with mom and dad...

I see

there are quite a few great Ex-Express guys over at CAL, but like you mentioned, some not so great. I just thought you referring to every ex-XJT guy,

Thanks for looking in to this. With all we've been subjected to, the thought of our union taking what little longevity we have left was too much to bear.

Gypsy

The signing bonus on the CAL side is in essence a B scale distribution. If you were the highest paid before this JCBA, you will get the biggest bonus. If you were the lowest paid, you will essentially get a POS bonus.

Another sell out of the newest guys on the CAL payscale. You'll probably see widebody CAs get $80,000 while FOs that were making $30-50K during this time period get around $5-10K.

Grats scab WB CAs.

Basic vs global...Basic is primarily domestic reserve (320,737 and maybe 757 depending on how the fleet is utilized). Any reserve in a Base/Eqp/Seat that does not fly south of Lima in South America will be considered Basic. Global is any BES that flies south of that (EZE etc) or transatlantic/pacific. This cannot be magically adjusted by crew scheduling.

There are so many concessions and gotchas contained in this POC, that it ought to be a slam dunk NO vote for MOST of us. I'm astonished at how bad this thing is.

Sled, as for the "gets" in this TA, I submit that you're picking corn out of something warm and steamy. I don't even know what to say, so I won't waste any time with your opinion. Have a great career.

As for the TA

The pay is marginal.
The scope is a show stopper. Ever see an RJ in SWA colors?
The retro is completely unacceptable and an insult.
The reserve rules SUCK. 2.5 hours? In DC? In NYC? In SFO? LAX?
Involuntary JM - nope. They need more bodies? Hire them.
Increased Medical and Dental costs. Concessionary.
The training pay is a joke.
VACA pay is concessionary.
Add on reassignments
etc
etc
etc

Its up to US now that the JNC has failed us so completely. Get out the NO vote.

7B in unrestricted cash. The only thing "industry leading" was the hubris with which this was unveiled.

Sign me up! It's also nice to know that a junior guy who never even finished his/her probation year at UAL in 08' will now be valued exactly the same as a twice furloughed UAL guy hired 12 or 13 years ago! What is wrong with our Union? This is unbelievable! NO Way!

You have no clue what a pilot is worth! You should look around the world and at other domestic carriers. To settle for those rates even with the 16% is a slap in the face. You've been brainwashed! I even hate to say it, but the flight attendants at my previous employer (corp) make more than that!