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EWRflyr 11-13-2012 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by B727gypsy (Post 1291942)
I'm not saying that this MEC doesn't take special pride in sticking it to the early 2000 hires, but I've read the section in the TA and don't see how our longevity can be reduced. The section addresses adding longevity credit for time spent on furlough but the "application of such additional credit" is capped at the level of the next most senior sCAL pilot.

We know we'll get sold out again in the SLI and I was hoping to at least get recouped in years for pay, but I'm still not seeing how longevity gets reduced. If I'm wrong, then you can count me in as one more contributor to the law suit.

Gypsy

I've read that section too. Granted it takes a lawyer to understand a lot of this, but I read it the same way as Gypsy. Your longevity pay won't be reduced but any additional longevity credit you get won't go above the sCAL pilot senior to you. A question to be asked at the road show, not that it should decide the outcome since the rest of the TA is a joke already.

unitedcop30 11-13-2012 07:04 AM

It mentions in the contract about one movable reserve day, but then says global reserve has 6 immovable golden days off. What is the difference between basic reserve and global reserve? And the difference between one movable reserve day and 6 immovable golden days off? Are these two different types of reserve? Thanks.

intrepidcv11 11-13-2012 07:10 AM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1291915)
look. I am not going to argue with every swinging here about this ta. It's not eye watering, great. But it is adequate and in many ways industry leading. It should pass as it did both mecs

reminds me of an old joke: The neg chair says " in our new contract, we only work on wednesdays. Any questions?"

a line pilot raises his hand....." you mean we have to work every ####### wednesday???!!!"

sled

bah bah bah!

EWR73FO 11-13-2012 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by unitedcop30 (Post 1291987)
It mentions in the contract about one movable reserve day, but then says global reserve has 6 immovable golden days off. What is the difference between basic reserve and global reserve? And the difference between one movable reserve day and 6 immovable golden days off? Are these two different types of reserve? Thanks.

basic reserve is 50 us, mx, can, carrib, northern s america, and cent america. global reserve is everything but. trying to be fancy with domestic and international

A320 11-13-2012 07:20 AM

Something needs to be clarified. It says that express block hours are tied to narrow body single aisle A/C at DOS. So as UAL parks 757s and potentially Busses the Express block hours will not be reduced because their block hours are based on ours at DOS. that's how I read it.

A320 11-13-2012 07:23 AM

I still have not seen the Retro/ Signing Bonus part. Any details on that?

CALFO 11-13-2012 07:44 AM


Originally Posted by A320 (Post 1292010)
Something needs to be clarified. It says that express block hours are tied to narrow body single aisle A/C at DOS. So as UAL parks 757s and potentially Busses the Express block hours will not be reduced because their block hours are based on ours at DOS. that's how I read it.

As i read it. The 757 and 320 retirements should be offset by 737 deliveries. If, however the company accelerates aircraft retirement creating less mainline block hours, the number if rj's (block hours) need to be reduced accordingly. This is a great provisions because is keeps the company from shrinking mainline domestic block hours and supplementing the flying with rj's.

CALFO 11-13-2012 07:45 AM


Originally Posted by A320 (Post 1292014)
I still have not seen the Retro/ Signing Bonus part. Any details on that?

It's in the loa's at the end of the contract. From the looks of it, ual mec did a good job of splitting their pot, cal not so much.

Captain Bligh 11-13-2012 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by fanaticalflyer (Post 1291824)
Losing full longevity is one thing, but this is utter BS to actually go backwards. I had to have this clarified by the LAX LEC Chairman to see if I got this right. According to the TA, after SLI integration, we cannot have a Pay Longevity that is longer than the next sCAL pilot above us (which will be a 2008 CAL hire for most of us). I have over 6 years of Pay Longevity and will now fall to 4 years according to the LAX LEC Chair. How the hell can that happen? He says the CAL MEC voted for no full restoration, of course, but how can they legally set us backwards on Pay longevity. Seniority is one thing, such as getting stapled to the bottom, but to lose time accrued for Pay is a first for any pilot group. There has to be a mechanism to prevent this or is that called a 'lawsuit'?

Been there done that. The lawsuit you speak of will be far longer and much more expensive both financially and emotionally than a simple "NO" vote and lot's of lobby on your parts to send this back. Not to mention the fact the most experienced team in the business is already retained by sCAL.

You are dead right, this sets you guys up to be the recipients of the worst seniority injustice in the history of mergers. The good news is you'll go junior to some of the most self serving little smart-aleck weasel nosed back stabbers in the industry (fast tracked Xjeters) if this passes. I think I may be a NO vote just on behalf of how bad the UALfurlough guys get raped. Then again my hunger strike for women's rights never really gained much momentum...

JoeyMeatballs 11-13-2012 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by Captain Bligh (Post 1292028)
The good news is you'll go junior to some of the most self serving little smart-aleck weasel nosed back stabbers in the industry (fast tracked Xjeters) ...

Excuse my ignorance, are you referring to XJT guys hired after the UAL furloughees?


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