Originally Posted by fanaticalflyer
(Post 1291824)
Losing full longevity is one thing, but this is utter BS to actually go backwards. I had to have this clarified by the LAX LEC Chairman to see if I got this right. According to the TA, after SLI integration, we cannot have a Pay Longevity that is longer than the next sCAL pilot above us (which will be a 2008 CAL hire for most of us). I have over 6 years of Pay Longevity and will now fall to 4 years according to the LAX LEC Chair. How the hell can that happen? He says the CAL MEC voted for no full restoration, of course, but how can they legally set us backwards on Pay longevity. Seniority is one thing, such as getting stapled to the bottom, but to lose time accrued for Pay is a first for any pilot group. There has to be a mechanism to prevent this or is that called a 'lawsuit'?
Sled |
Originally Posted by jsled
(Post 1291869)
Even if your perception is true, you still go from 85/hr to 114/hr DOS. That's a 34% raise. I'm just sayin
Sled You still get your days off rolled... "I'm just sayin" You still get double pumped..... "I'm Just sayin" You only give up some Hub to Hub RJ flying... ''I'm just sayin" You only get pennies to the dollar for Retro... "I'm just sayin" You have an 'imaginary' A380 payscale... "I'm just sayin" Sickening that an educated "professional pilot" can look at this and think it's a good deal~ Motch NO Voter on 1 Dec 12 |
Originally Posted by jsled
(Post 1291869)
Even if your perception is true, you still go from 85/hr to 114/hr DOS. That's a 34% raise. I'm just sayin
Sled We are in trouble with people of this intelligence working here. |
Why is that when people make intelligent decisions and through the process they come to different solutions at least one side immediately starts threatening the other? Name calling, recalls, and even lawsuits ensues.
And revisionist insist "religion" is the source of all conflicts. Go figure. |
Originally Posted by intrepidcv11
(Post 1291833)
Plz don't ever talk smack about United of Old getting destroyed by CAL Flight Ops ever again. Calling this POS a B puts you squarely in Fred Abbott's BOHICA zone.
Paid parking for commuters Hotel for your pc. Even if based in IAH (ygtbsm, you didn't have that) FC travel to/from pc Dh Econ plus or better-FC international 9 hrs behind the door 12:45 rest between reserve assignments These are just a few examples of gains for Cal pilots. Status quo (no concession) for Ual pilots. Sled |
Originally Posted by jsled
(Post 1291882)
Oh, I'll talk smack. Some of the stuff you guys put up with is unbelievable. Good thing this contract corrects a lot of that stuff.
Paid parking for commuters Hotel for your pc. Even if based in IAH (ygtbsm, you didn't have that) FC travel to/from pc Dh Econ plus or better-FC international 9 hrs behind the door 12:45 rest between reserve assignments These are just a few examples of gains for Cal pilots. Status quo (no concession) for Ual pilots. Sled |
Originally Posted by jsled
(Post 1291882)
Some of the stuff you guys put up with is unbelievable. Good thing this contract corrects a lot of that stuff... Status quo (no concession) for Ual pilots.
Sled |
Originally Posted by APC225
(Post 1291888)
Which makes it all the more curious that only 3 on the UAL MEC voted against it. What's that all about? This doesn't look substantially different from UAL's current contract.
14 hr downtown layovers. 2 captain augment on long flights. M5D...huge for Hi flying 1/3.5 Inc vac and training pay Inc RSV guarantee Pay premiums Sled |
Those pay raises dont mean a thing if the soft time provisions suck.
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Originally Posted by jsled
(Post 1291869)
Even if your perception is true, you still go from 85/hr to 114/hr DOS. That's a 34% raise. I'm just sayin
Sled I just want to make sure I'm understanding you....... I was hired at UAL in 99 and have 6 years and a few months of active service at UAL. If this TA is voted in I go to 4 year pay, down from the 7 year pay I would be at now. When the SLI is finished I might find myself junior to a 2008 CAL hire and remain at 4 years of longevity. I can understand how I might eat a giant **** sandwich with the SLI but to say that my longevity is tied to the CAL pilot senior to me on the new SLI is the lettuce and tomato on my giant **** sandwich. I know that I am going to get screwed in the SLI but to actually have longevity taken away from me that I already have is crazy! I was hired at UAL over 13 years ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You sound like you are ok with this part of the TA because I get a raise from 7th year UAL current pay of $86 an hour to the TA rate of $112 an hour on 4th year pay. I can already smell a class action lawsuit brewing. |
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