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jsled 11-14-2012 07:21 AM


Originally Posted by CAL 73 (Post 1291935)
1 month and we get another offer....if we are brave enough to send this back.

You don't know that for certain. Ask your reps how long L. Pachala said another offer could take.

Sled

SoCentralRain 11-14-2012 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1292684)
Oh, it's clear and I don't blame you. I just think you have to weigh this contract and its benefits going forward against fighting for the past and perhaps bogging down for another 9-12 months.

Sled

Bogging down for another 9-12 months? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

I hope your steel backbone and courage in this regard are carried with you to the cockpit. Bravo.

It's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.

SCR

Regularguy 11-14-2012 07:25 AM

Motch

"I'm done with you as you're the type that can't see the pile of **** that the few golden nuggets are lying in~"

You sir are a ____ (fill in what you want) not a hero of any sort.

Vote your no and let others do their work and have their opinion. It's a big sand box and you don't own all the toys.

Regularguy 11-14-2012 07:35 AM

So who is this Motch?

Right off the internet:

Hired in 2007 (five years seniority) First Officer at Continental Airlines
Captain, EMB145 at Trans States Airlines

Dude the idea of this forum is to remain anonymous and show some respect to your fellow posters.

This is your first contract at LCAL, calm down there are many more to go in your career and you never get everything (and sometimes nothing of what) you may want.

jsled 11-14-2012 07:40 AM


Originally Posted by SoCentralRain (Post 1292688)
Movable days off for UAL domestic reservists? s-UA pilots haven't had that in over 20 years? That's status quo? 2.5 hour short call (instead of 4 hours)? That's an improvement? A reservist having to call the crew desk before you head off to the parking lot (or your commuter flight home) is an improvement? Here's one more: Training on your days off! GREAT IDEA! Improvements all around! YOU WIN!!!

SCR

<sigh> Don't even know where to start. There is ONE moveable day for Domestic Reserves, not "days". We had multiple moveable days on the LCO till 2008, certainly not 20 years ago. And this is a HUGE improvement from where CAL is today. 2.5hrs is to REPORT, we are 3hrs to REPORT now. That's 30 min difference, and IF the request to show is less than 3 hours, you can park in pay parking and get reimbursed. Doing grnd school in domicile for 3.75 hrs pay on your day off is not ideal, i'll give you that. and please give me a reference for the calling the crew desk thing. BTW, you forgot min 5 per calander day (M5D). 1/3.5 TAFB.

Sled

jsled 11-14-2012 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by SoCentralRain (Post 1292696)
Bogging down for another 9-12 months? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

I hope your steel backbone and courage in this regard are carried with you to the cockpit. Bravo.

It's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.

SCR

Not kidding at all. Look at what is going on right now. CAL growth, UAL shrinkage. If not for J.H.'s plan and favorable NMB makeup, we wouldn't even be close to a contract. That is by design. In 9-12 more months there will be newhire lineholders at CAL and continued surpluses at UAL. Smeisek will be dancing in the streets. Why do you think both MECs passed this AIP by such a wide margin? I think the JNC with help from the proffer request/NMB pressure forced the Company into this contract and the MEC saw it for what it is. A solid industry leading contract that includes 30-63% pay increases and net gains in workrules and job protections. And the risk of going for more outweighs the potential reward.

Sled

UalHvy 11-14-2012 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1292693)
You don't know that for certain. Ask your reps how long L. Pachala said another offer could take.

Sled

She has warned that we will be parked for a long time. I'm just the messenger.

Sonny Crockett 11-14-2012 08:19 AM

Ahhh yes the SCARE TACTICS are alive and well by the YES crowd.


Grab what pieces of silver you can get on the deck on the USS SLAVE SHIP. Worry all about CAL growing and UAL shrinking? Threats that the NMB will put us on ice? Really?


Sad.

SoCentralRain 11-14-2012 08:34 AM



Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1292693)
You don't know that for certain. Ask your reps how long L. Pachala said another offer could take.

Sled

She has warned that we will be parked for a long time. I'm just the messenger.
.

You want to know what a long time is? Eight years and three months on furlough.

If I can wait, so can you. What are you so afraid of? Don't be a coward.

And don't sell out the furloughees for a few coins.

SCR

jsled 11-14-2012 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by Sonny Crockett (Post 1292755)
Ahhh yes the SCARE TACTICS are alive and well by the YES crowd.


Grab what pieces of silver you can get on the deck on the USS SLAVE SHIP. Worry all about CAL growing and UAL shrinking? Threats that the NMB will put us on ice? Really?


Sad.

Ahhh. Easy for you to say as a CAL guy. You coming back to ol' UAL if recalled? Or are you pretty happy with the growth on the other side?

Sled


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