Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 1292245)

20-K-6-f-(3) Example: A Short Call Reserve whose assignment begins at 0600 and ends at 2000 may be released from the assignment at 0700 and given a flying assignment that reports at 1700.

Not sure if you have even read the entire document.. (I've read it once, on my 2nd read through now)

Not sure if you're good at Math, but the above allows for 10 (yupe.. TEN) hours between "reserve assignments", not to mention the "Double Pump" that we were told was a no go item.

NO

C'mon Motch. That is after an UNUSED short call. ie. you never left your house! 12:45 is after returning to base after a flying assignment. That's 14:00 block to block. Double pump? ok, after 14 hours instead of what??? the 9 you have now??

Sled
Motch

Originally Posted by 13n144e (Post 1291894)

73 hour reserve guarantee, 70 hour line guarantee, only 6 immovable days off (essentially on call 25 days), training on your days off, double-pumped reserve days, outsourcing to USAir!! YGTBSM!! These are even concessionary to L-CAL, if you don't think they're concessionary to L-UAL then you are truly on board with Team FLIBS. We "put up with" the current crappy work rules because we had them shoved down our throats by the threat of bankrupcy. You vote for this POS, you own it.

Originally Posted by oldmako (Post 1292601)

10:45.



20-I-6-h-(1) Notwithstanding Section 20-K-5-a, a Reserve’s minimum Off-Duty Period at
his Base may be reduced to ten hours and forty-five minutes (10:45) following a Basic
Trip; the Reserve may waive this off-duty requirement. Notwithstanding Sections 20-K-
3-c-(8), such an assignment must be made by the time the Reserve has blocked in on the
last leg of his current assignment.

Originally Posted by Ottolillienthal (Post 1292291)

We shouldn't spend negotiating capital on FAR's, and we should certainly travel on a pass classification that is appropriate for performing duty for our company that is commensurate with our profession and the respect this profession should bring. We need to be rested for our PC's. That isn't a 'get' the company gets a rested pilot for training. they benefit too.

Originally Posted by Learjet driver (Post 1291910)

I just want to make sure I'm understanding you....... I was hired at UAL in 99 and have 6 years and a few months of active service at UAL. If this TA is voted in I go to 4 year pay, down from the 7 year pay I would be at now. When the SLI is finished I might find myself junior to a 2008 CAL hire and remain at 4 years of longevity.

I can understand how I might eat a giant **** sandwich with the SLI but to say that my longevity is tied to the CAL pilot senior to me on the new SLI is the lettuce and tomato on my giant **** sandwich.

I know that I am going to get screwed in the SLI but to actually have longevity taken away from me that I already have is crazy! I was hired at UAL over 13 years ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You sound like you are ok with this part of the TA because I get a raise from 7th year UAL current pay of $86 an hour to the TA rate of $112 an hour on 4th year pay.

I can already smell a class action lawsuit brewing.

Originally Posted by Ottolillienthal (Post 1292289)

That stuff isn't a "get"

That's how you should treat your aircraft commanders and the people who make this airline run. The rest and augmentation stuff is all in the new FAR's. Why is that a "get"? It's not, it's just the future of the airline business because our management's were abusing us for too long and it caught up with them.

Originally Posted by smackahoCEO (Post 1292638)

Thread on regional section says this new TA will give the Mitsubishi RJ 100+ pax plane a home. Is this true or not??? Good God guys..... Please please please protect (improve) that scope!

Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1292621)

First off. I don't think your Longevity will be reduced. Second. What does longevity get you? More years on your pension formula? No. It gets you seniority and pay. You said yourself that you will be eating a sheet sandwich on seniority (me too). So that leaves pay. Do you stand on principle and cut yourself out of a 30% + raise? IDK. I am not in your shoes as I was not furloughed, but it seems foolish.

Sled