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forgot to bid 11-13-2012 04:40 PM

sorry to interject, maybe TA's should require 66% to pass?

krudawg 11-13-2012 06:13 PM

It's been pretty quiet about the raging debate over retro pay should be a signing bonus.
I guess all the b3 (bottom 3rd) figured out that since the bus and guppies got the biggest raise under this TA that calling it retro and distributing based on W2 wages is now Fair. Imagine that.

89Pistons 11-13-2012 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by krudawg (Post 1292388)
It's been pretty quiet about the raging debate over retro pay should be a signing bonus.
I guess all the b3 (bottom 3rd) figured out that since the bus and guppies got the biggest raise under this TA that calling it retro and distributing based on W2 wages is now Fair. Imagine that.

What makes you think that? I didn't see anyone say that it's now fair.

intrepidcv11 11-13-2012 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by krudawg (Post 1292388)
It's been pretty quiet about the raging debate over retro pay should be a signing bonus.
I guess all the b3 (bottom 3rd) figured out that since the bus and guppies got the biggest raise under this TA that calling it retro and distributing based on W2 wages is now Fair. Imagine that.

Ah this 'Guppy' Driver is getting 12% at DOS, the lowest of any pay band. Imagine that! Yes I fly mostly 800/900. Try to think a touch before you chastise people ahead of time.

CAL 73 11-13-2012 08:24 PM


Originally Posted by krudawg (Post 1292388)
It's been pretty quiet about the raging debate over retro pay should be a signing bonus.
I guess all the b3 (bottom 3rd) figured out that since the bus and guppies got the biggest raise under this TA that calling it retro and distributing based on W2 wages is now Fair. Imagine that.


Ummm... here are the numbers old timer. How is it that the 73 gets highest raise????

Starting year 1 to year 12 from current UAL and CAL contract raises

UAL FO A-319 46% 42% 27% 25% 25% 25% 25% 25% 25% 24% 24% 24%
UAL FO A-320 46% 44% 30% 28% 28% 28% 28% 28% 28% 27% 27% 27%

CAL FO B737-500 49% 36% 36% 29% 24% 19% 19% 19% 18% 17% 17% 17%
CAL FO B737-700 49% 36% 36% 29% 24% 19% 19% 19% 18% 17% 17% 17%
CAL FO B737-800 49% 31% 30% 23% 17% 12% 12% 12% 11% 11% 10% 10%
CAL FO B737-900 49% 31% 30% 23% 17% 12% 12% 12% 11% 11% 10% 10%

CAL 737 guys get the lowest raises on this POS wanna be TA.

80ktsClamp 11-13-2012 08:43 PM

What's the duration and can someone post a pay chart?

UASnake 11-13-2012 08:56 PM


Originally Posted by krudawg (Post 1292388)
It's been pretty quiet about the raging debate over retro pay should be a signing bonus.
I guess all the b3 (bottom 3rd) figured out that since the bus and guppies got the biggest raise under this TA that calling it retro and distributing based on W2 wages is now Fair. Imagine that.

Interesting that the company refuses to acknowledge the grossly inadequate $400m as retro, but the UAL MEC calls it that and is divvying up the money with another formula (see bond distro), and not a crumb for the furloughees. Let the lawsuits begin...

IMO, we need Retro and Equity. They are not one in the same, they are based on different principles. This Lump Sum is crap.

UASnake 11-13-2012 08:57 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1292311)
jsled.... Bill Lumberg?! :D

That's funny! Whatever happened to that master salesman and "future 717A"?

apc1432 11-14-2012 05:00 AM


Originally Posted by NJGov (Post 1292312)
anyone that can PM me a copy of the TA, please? I'm not a CAL/UAL guy so I don't have access to the forum (or maybe I'm just not tech-savvy enough?)

thanks in advance

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CAL 73 11-14-2012 05:23 AM


Originally Posted by apc1432 (Post 1292573)

From the united contract 2012 Website:

Section 3 Compensation

Increased pay rates of 18-36%. "matches" Delta Airlines rates at DOS.


......matches for the next 47 days, till JAN 01 2013!!!! Then DAL gets a 8.5% pay increase and we wait until 2014 to get ours!!!

Hey United and CAL MECs, dont forget to finish your sentences!!!! Ohh, but wait...then it doesn't sound so good.


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