So f'ing disgusted right now. I have no words.

DOH 10/11/99. Still waiting for a career to kick in.

 

Don't take this personally, CAL pilots, but when the SLI arbitrators see what was done in JCBA to affect SLI, it may backfire on you.

 

and now it begins... I thought we'd at least wait until the TA is ratified by a higher percentage of UAL pilots than CAL pilots.

 

I know it's hard but, try not to let this TA get into your head. We must be methodical, cold and business like. If you want to read it, read it. Just make sure you wake up on December first, turn on the computer, vote no, and go hang out with your loved ones. This management WANTS us to get emotional and think of some conspiracy theory that one group is trying to pull over on the other. Like I've said before, this management team is absolute and complete scum. They hate you. Don't hate them back! Just smile and vote no. Simple.
They won't know what hit em.

 

This is one of the most important emails I have ever sent. Please read carefully.

From TA LOA 25 Merger Transition Issues:

4. Pay Longevity Credit for Furloughees
Upon date of signing, any pilot who is, or previously was, furloughed and whose accrued
pay longevity is less than that of pilots hired on or before 5/6/08 shall receive additional
pay longevity credit for time spent on furlough, but only to the extent that such credit
does not provide a pay longevity date prior to 5/7/08.

What's going on here? 5/6/08 is the Date of Hire of the JUNIOR CAL pilot. He, and every other CAL pilot that's ever been furloughed at CAL will get full FURLOUGH LONGEVITY CREDIT (FLC). How many current UAL furloughees get this credit? Answer: ONLY THOSE JUNIOR TO THE JUNIOR CAL PILOT. Think about that. All the UAL furloughees senior to the junior CAL pilot get what? They get ZERO furlough longevity credit EVEN THOUGH THE CURRENT UAL CONTRACT HAS A SIDE LETTER THAT PROVIDES FULL FURLOUGH LONGEVITY CREDIT. BY VOTING FOR THIS CONTRACT WE ARE AGREEING TO MORE THAN VOIDING THIS SIDE LETTER.

This is a horrific financial loss to all but a few UAL furloughees. BUT THERE'S MORE TO THIS THAN THE MONEY.

Read the rest of the paragraph:

When an Integrated Seniority List is presented to the Company that satisfies the terms of Section 5 of the Transition and Process Agreement (“TPA”), pilots who are or previously were furloughed shall receive
additional pay longevity credit for all time spent on furlough (read: "furlough longevity repair") provided that they have additional time on furlough which was not credited for pay longevity purposes upon date
of signing, and provided further that the application of such additional credit does not result in any s-United pilot having a pay longevity date that is earlier than the pay longevity date of the next most senior s-Continental pilot.

This "furlough longevity repair" will be limited to the results of the Integrated Seniority List (ISL), and MAY NOT APPLY IF STAPLED TO THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST OR IF PLACED IN A POSITION SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT THAN DATE OF HIRE. THERE'S NO VALUE HERE.

SO WHY DID THIS PARAGRAPH GET WRITTEN?

ANSWER: BECAUSE DENYING S-UAL FULL FURLOUGH LONGEVITY CREDIT WEAKENS THEIR UAL PILOT POSITION ON THE INTEGRATED SENIORITY LIST. AND IF IT WEAKENS OUR FULOUGHEES, WHY WOULD IT NOT DO THE SAME FOR THE REST OF THE S-UAL PILOTS, ESPECIALLY IF IT GOES TO ARBITRATION? METHODOLOGIES THAT WORK AGAINST ONE PART OF THE LIST GIVE AMAZING POWER TO AN ARBITRATOR.

IN SO DOING, WE HAVE CREATED A TWO-TIERED PILOT GROUP: CAL FURLOUGHEES WHO WIN AND GET 100% FLC, UAL FURLOUGHEES GET ZERO EXCEPT FOR A FEW OF THE MOST JUNIOR. HOW MUCH WILL THIS BE WORTH IN DOLLARS? BUT IT DOESN'T END THERE.

THE REAL DIVISION THAT WILL LAST A LIFETIME AND CREATE DECENSION IN THE COCKPIT FOREVER WILL OCCUR WHEN IT BECOMES OBVIOUS THAT S-UAL FURLOUGHEES GOT SCREWED IN THE FINAL ISP BECAUSE THE S-UAL MEC GAVE THE S-CAL MEC THE OPPORTUNITY TO INSIST THAT LONGEVITY WAS PART OF THE EQUATION. HOW WILL THEY EVER RECOVER FROM THAT? SENIORITY IS FOREVER. SO IS BETRAYAL AND HATRED OF YOUR FELLOW PILOTS WHO VOTED FOR AN AGREEMENT THAT DID THIS TO THEM.

WE STOOD SOLID AGAINST THE 1985 B-SCALE. THOSE THAT DIDN'T ARE CALLED SCABS TO THIS DAY.

Gus Arscott, Member, UAL-MEC (1991-93, 1998-2002) .
B-400 Captain Member Negotiating Committee (1993-1998)
ALPA # 55-4444 Chairman, MEC Membership Committee (1985-1991)

IF YOU AGREE, PLEASE FORWARD TO AS MANY S-UAL AND S-CAL PILOTS THAT YOU KNOW.

 

Is there someone with a calm demeanor that can answer a fact based question:

On the date the merger was announced, what was the date of hire of the senior most LUAL pilot on furlough at that moment?

Joe Peck
IAD-UALFO

 

What begins?

 

I believe my class 8/99 is the most senior furloughed fodder.

 

Right. USAIRs greed blew up in their face with their attempted seniority grab.

 

Until just recently I had heard very little discussion of SLI. Everyone knows that it looms, but most have taken the attitude that "it's in the hands of the arbitrators". Unfortunately JP's move to get longevity caps for reasons none of us regular pilot people can figure out has blown the discussion onto center stage.

I liked it the way it was, because it will be very contentious. There is nothing either of us can do to change the outcome one number. I have too many friends on both sides to get bent over anything to do with the process and sure would like to keep it that way. Not sure why the UAL MEC agreed to the LOA language if it really went down as some say.