Ottolillienthal

While vacation pay does go up, it doesn't break you even on a trip.

vacation should allow you to at least leave work for a week without having to pick up a trip to make up the difference.

The wide body pilots all fly 25 plus hour productive 3 day trips. An entire week of vacation doesn't allow you to stay home or go on vacation without losing money.

Why is that?

horrido27

I was expecting a day of Vacation to equal 5 hours of Pay. It should~

Then again, if a guy took a whole month off for Vacation- that would amount to 140hrs of pay... So that can't work either.

There has to be some middle ground.

EWRflyr

Vacation pay doesn't go up on the CAL side. It's still the same 3.25/day that we have now. The only thing that changes is that we get full credit for that time during the PBS run, er sorry, "preferencing" window instead of partial credit.

EWR73FO

Isnt it 3:15 minutes but 3.25 hours now?

formerdal

It looks like you guys go from 3 weeks vacation straight to 5 weeks at the 11 year mark -is that right? Delta goes to 4 weeks in year 14 and then doesn't jump to 5 weeks until year 21 I believe...that's a huge difference in manning for about a decade!!

400Driver

Ummm... check your math. You don't get EVERY day at 5 hours, only the working days. So 12 day off in a 30 day month is 18 x 5 or 90 hrs of pay. Which would be right. Hell, even a reserve at the proposed guarantee of 73 hours for those 18 days of work would equal 4.056 hrs per vacation day...

Either way, you're not getting what you're worth.
(You only get what you can negotiate)

Sweet.

Coach67

3:15 equal 3.25 hrs

sailingfun

I have got to change airlines! Your widebody guys ALL fly 25 hour plus 3 day trips???? Thats amazing schedules. Can't be done domestic and there are only a few international routes over 12 doubled crewed that might do that. Do you have incredible duty rigs for the widebodies or is there something else I am missing that allows them ALL such great trips?

Captain Bligh

It's the nature of the beast. There are no short legs on widebody airplanes like there were in the 1970s. Every time you strap that thing on you're going for a 13-16 hour ride.

oldmako

Well sorta...

I used to fly IAD LHR all the time as a reserve. It was a lousy paying three day and that's why it fell into open all the time. Guys would dump it. Now, you could argue if the 767 is a true WB or not, but the bottom line is that not all three day trips pay that kind of coin. Anything western EU from the NE isn't going to pay like that. Ask the dudes on the west coast who do the Hawaii flying. Those trips used to end up in open and I'd DH FC to and from the west coast to fly them. It was a horrible paying trip for them, but for me with the DH pay great. Sure HI is great, but if you end up flying it constantly you need to fly 20 days to make 80ish hours. Again, there was a reason they were dumped and it was for low pay for TAFB.

That's back when being on reserve at UAL was pretty sweet. Of course, I used to wear 34 trousers and have 20-13 eyesight as well.