4 CAL LEC "NO" Voters - Opinions/Reasons
11-18-2012, 06:50 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by UASnake
Prepare to be disappointed.
The TA will pass by a wide margin, just as the BK contract and Pension Termination TAs did. The UAL pilots set the downward trajectory 10 years ago by caving and will do it again. We are in a bad situation (CAL mgmt, CAL MC, and the NMB make it a 1 v 3 fight) and the majority does not have the will to resist in their DNA.
The TA will pass by a wide margin, just as the BK contract and Pension Termination TAs did. The UAL pilots set the downward trajectory 10 years ago by caving and will do it again. We are in a bad situation (CAL mgmt, CAL MC, and the NMB make it a 1 v 3 fight) and the majority does not have the will to resist in their DNA.
Originally Posted by Airhoss
Interesting, no mention of the CAL requirement to STAPLE the UAL furloughees at the bottom of the list, setting this entire pilot group up for the most rotten unfair SL merge in the history of airline mergers. My number one reason to VOTE NO!!
Originally Posted by intrepidcv11
Sigh. What was the vote breakdown of the S Ual MEC again? The hate campaign on CAL pilots would make a lot more sense if your own house would of shown any shade of fortitude.
11-19-2012, 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by 757Driver
Touche' Intrepid and it sure would be nice if some of the blame was cast where it belongs. What was the vote count again, 7-4 CAL vs 12-3 UAL.?
Here's the crux of it. In this agreement our furloughees are not only NOT getting time for longevity they are losing time that they actually spent on property flying for UAL while CAl guys get full furlough credit no penalty, how is that fair?
If this is any indication of how the ISL is going to go down then a guy like me with almost 16 years seniority will starting over as almost a new hire at almost 50 years old with tons of younger guys senior to me...Tilt..Career over.... Not good for me or thousands of guys in my general seniority/ age range.
11-20-2012, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Airhoss
My apologies to the pilots of L-CAL.... I simply feeling like I've got no one representing me. I can't believe that the L-UAL MEC approved this crop of sh!t. And it angers me that the CAL MEC (or so I'm told by my LEC rep) insisted on it.
Here's the crux of it. In this agreement our furloughees are not only NOT getting time for longevity they are losing time that they actually spent on property flying for UAL while CAl guys get full furlough credit no penalty, how is that fair?
If this is any indication of how the ISL is going to go down then a guy like me with almost 16 years seniority will starting over as almost a new hire at almost 50 years old with tons of younger guys senior to me...Tilt..Career over.... Not good for me or thousands of guys in my general seniority/ age range.
Here's the crux of it. In this agreement our furloughees are not only NOT getting time for longevity they are losing time that they actually spent on property flying for UAL while CAl guys get full furlough credit no penalty, how is that fair?
If this is any indication of how the ISL is going to go down then a guy like me with almost 16 years seniority will starting over as almost a new hire at almost 50 years old with tons of younger guys senior to me...Tilt..Career over.... Not good for me or thousands of guys in my general seniority/ age range.
There is always 2 sides to everything. The CAL guys if they don't get relative seniority or better feel their careers will have been destroyed as well. Why should someone who is captain have someone who is in 90th percentile go ahead of him/her?.
11-20-2012, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Airhoss
My apologies to the pilots of L-CAL.... I simply feeling like I've got no one representing me. I can't believe that the L-UAL MEC approved this crop of sh!t. And it angers me that the CAL MEC (or so I'm told by my LEC rep) insisted on it.
Here's the crux of it. In this agreement our furloughees are not only NOT getting time for longevity they are losing time that they actually spent on property flying for UAL while CAl guys get full furlough credit no penalty, how is that fair?
If this is any indication of how the ISL is going to go down then a guy like me with almost 16 years seniority will starting over as almost a new hire at almost 50 years old with tons of younger guys senior to me...Tilt..Career over.... Not good for me or thousands of guys in my general seniority/ age range.
Here's the crux of it. In this agreement our furloughees are not only NOT getting time for longevity they are losing time that they actually spent on property flying for UAL while CAl guys get full furlough credit no penalty, how is that fair?
If this is any indication of how the ISL is going to go down then a guy like me with almost 16 years seniority will starting over as almost a new hire at almost 50 years old with tons of younger guys senior to me...Tilt..Career over.... Not good for me or thousands of guys in my general seniority/ age range.
However, that being said, I agree that the UAL furloughed pilots should get FULL longevity in the TA as far as pay and benefits. The arbitrator will have to figure out the seniority list.
Simple, VOTE NO! What are the YES voters afraid of?
11-20-2012, 12:31 PM
#18
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Originally Posted by CleCapt
If you finished a military career and jumped at a job in the airlines at 50, as a new hire, could you complain that you are 50 and wont make Captain?
11-20-2012, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Mwindaji
Must have missed that thread. Where did this come from? I have not seen any retired military complaining about this.
Here's a guy complaining he's 50 and that's why he should go ahead of a CAl pilot with more active time at the company.
It was hypothetical in nature.
11-20-2012, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by southbound
Airhoss,
Where, in your opinion, should your seniority be after the SLI is complete? What would you think is fair? An honest question.
Where, in your opinion, should your seniority be after the SLI is complete? What would you think is fair? An honest question.
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