Did you go to a roadshow?

Of course not. Then he would have to listen to things like this:

Q: Clarify the adaption of reassignment or add-on flying for a pilot who finishes a trip (lineholder)?

A:Step 8 of the 20-I order of assignment is lineholder reassignment after completing a trip. This can only occur within 3-4 hours of the open flying, and the company must have completed Steps 1-7 to get there. That includes accepting any volunteer, anywhere in the system, regardless of conflict – for instance dropping a six day for one day. In reality, this is only going to happen for very short notice assignments—like if the original pilot gets in an accident on the way to the airport. If reassigned under Step 8, you must return home the following day, you can't be worked into a Golden Day or vacation day. This can only happen 2 times a year (most airlines have no limit; SWA is 2 times per month). You get 125% Add Pay in addition to the value of the trip, which will usually increase substantially due to rig and M5D. If worked into a holiday, you get an additional 5 hours add pay. Unless the flying opened while you were in air, you will be notified prior to departing on your last leg. Notification must be by a scheduler or flight manager, not a gate agent.

During last summer when CAL was severely undermanned, this provision only occurred 49 times out of 60,000 trips, and about 100 times for the year with 250,000 trips. The TA has more restrictions and volunteer incentives.




11. Domestic reserve short call-out now in writing at 2:30 maximum time to show time.



Current UA requirement is 4 to depart- that means 2:30 to report for a Global trip and 3 to report for a basic trip. Let’s assume that valet parking saves 15 minutes (likely saves more at some airports). That means the TA 2:30 report is an improvement for Global trips and 15 minutes shorter for Basic trips.


29. Requirement to call Scheduling if deviating at the end of a trip, opening the door for reassignments. Essentially, putting a lineholder on reserve.



You have that requirement today, at the discretion of the company. Their freedom of discretion has been limited going forward. This is another example of this author having not understanding the current UA book- the deadhead deviation policy is a massive improvement for UAL; CAL lost some flexibility. But for UAL, currently deviations are 100% company discretion. The new policy means that lineholders have an absolute right to deviate, unless it’s going into a layover at the end of a trip.

No. No credit for either furlough. That is what is upsetting the twice furloughed guys/gals. You can't give full credit to the L-CAL furloughees and give more credit than time served to some of the most junior L-UAL furloughees , but not give ANY credit to pilots at United hired in 1999 or earlier. I should be at signing of the TA at the 8 year mark with time served. Instead I will be at 5. I know, what's a couple of dollars an hour right? It is all very easy for the people who didn't get furloughed twice to rationalize. For us, it is a tough pill to swallow. With 13+ years at United, furloughed or not, we have been through the wringer. If you kept your job, all be it with a huge pay-cut and crappy contract, you still had an income and retirement and health and dental insurance for your families......We did not. Some of us are really upset and worried about the precedent that sets for the SLI . As I said before, it is a highly emotional topic, and not one that will easily be settled. In my case, if there was no LOA 25, would I be given the 8 year pay versus the 5 year? I am not sure. Perhaps someone from ALPA can answer that....or not. It is not clear to me. Maybe I need to hit a road show!

Here's the trick....you aren't back at United. You are a UCH holdings, flying on the CAL side. So we could give you 100 years of longevity, but you aren't a furloughed CAL pilot. So the idea is you are getting more than a new hire there, and until SLI, when we are on one list, you don't really get anything, but once you are on the combined list, it gets restored.

And any arbitrator is not going to care about pay longevity, etc. This will all be discussed during the SLI to death and we can all see through it.

I like it!!

C'mon UAL guys... be leaders again and take your legacy airline back!

The black and white language should be good enough to sell itself or not.

A road show won't be enforcing this contract. The salemen at the road show were selling snake oil, they don't know what they don't know. That's the dangerous part of this. These so called "experts" are merely crew room lawyers regurgitating the same talking points that Susan Rice was mumbling on her Sunday morning talk shows.

Don't believe the hype. Just read the language and keep the emotion and the smoke and mirrors out of it. There is a Tom Stivala in every crew room these days.

Whatever your vote is, just base it on the actual language, nothing more, nothing less.

This is a business decision.

STOP letting ALPA manage your expecations is the best advice I could give you.

If you think this is good enough for you, and your family....great.

BUT, This doesn't break me even, and this doesn't dig me out of the financial hole I am in. I need a home run, but I will settle for a triple. I know I can't have it all, but this TA is just a single. Just a single man.

It's a double with proper retro pay.

It's a triple with Delta plus a dollar and retro

It's a home run with DP1, Retro, and a stake in the airline


We deserve so much more than what this TA delivers.

Remember what Gordon said...."There was more money, and we would have paid you more, but you didn't ask for it." "You voted it in, and signed the deal, and we put our extra cash in ROBIC among other places."

Otto,

Come on in out of Right Field, the Inning is over!

Yes you do, but that is not relevant.

The only question is, can you get more in the present circumstances.

No. I am definitely not back at United. I am getting way more than a new hire at CAL right now, as I came over with my old 7 year airbus pay.

We shall see how the rest of this plays out with SLI and such. God Bless Us All.

I wish the airline industry sucked this much when I was a kid.....I would have never aspired to be in such a crappy profession.

Anyway, Happy Holidays to you LAX Pilot, and everyone else.