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Old 12-09-2012 | 08:23 AM
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just know that the L-UAL side will be running the MEC when the merger is complete. We simply have the majority.
Finally, someone gets it. And this is the rationale for many yes votes. I.e., let's get one group in charge so we can move on to get out of this whipsawing. Only way to do that is pass the TA. Vote yes. I can't disagree with that logic and if the TA passes I will be rooting for it's/your/our success.

However, this should only be one of many considerations in voting and it's a roll of the dice to assume a unified MEC can bring change. This TA will be how we live our lives for at least 10 years. This should be the main consideration in how one votes because voting it in while not being satisfied with how it affects your life with the hope that after it's done parts will somehow get mitigated by the union is a recipe for disappointment.
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Old 12-09-2012 | 09:51 AM
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Chicago Strike Committee:

As most of you are probably aware, the SPSC Chairman/P2P JFK) was asked to step down as a member of P2P in JFK. Consequently, he tendered his resignation as the JFK Strike Chair which was accepted by the MEC SPSC Chairman. During the EWR road show, wearing plain clothes and not identifying himself as a member of P2P or SPSC, he stood simply as a 25 year pilot for United Airlines and expressed his concerns about the tentative agreement presented by the MEC to be accepted or rejected by the pilot body. This catalyst was the trigger for his dismissal.

With this consideration, I am stepping down as the ORD Strike Chair and as a member of the P2P team in Chicago. Last night, I submitted my resignation effective immediately. To be clear, this is not an indictment of the TA, rather a rebuttal of the process upon which the MEC chose to wage the ratification process.

I accepted my first position as an ALPA volunteer shortly after the 2003 bankruptcy. As a matter of principle, I vowed to never allow or participate in another situation where few individuals or a single Master Chairman operated unilaterally, while stifling or completely eradicating any opposing view. Inherently I believe this to be extremely dangerous to our careers and profession as was demonstrated during that time. As I believe is our duty, he confronted what he and many others consider to be a flawed TA, and expressed his views. Although he has contributed countless hours, days and years of volunteer work of behalf of ALPA, he stood at that moment as a member of Council 52, at his road show, expressing his opinion as a member in good standing with ALPA.

This is not the first time I have expressed my concern to the MEC about operating in a fashion where any dissenting opinion is cast aside, or completely ignored. Doing so completely undermines the principles of CRM that arguably prevented countless accidents over the years. Yet somehow, it seems justified to abandon those principles when you leave the flight deck.

It has always been my belief that a well-informed pilot group will ultimately make the right decision on any matter placed before them. Rigorous debate is vital to that process. The Tentative Agreement should withstand that debate if it is in fact viable. Any attempt to obfuscate the facts by either side of an issue is not helpful. However, I trust the pilot group is capable of separating the fact from fiction, the rational from irrational, and the understatements from the hyperbole.

For the remainder of the P2P group in Chicago, do not misconstrue this as a call to arms. This is a value-based judgment and a promise I made to myself and the pilots I represented in any capacity. In a way, it is my personal Hippocratic Oath where I promised to “do no harm” to the pilot group. Continuing in my current capacity implicitly endorses the actions taken and opposes that vow. For the reasons stated above, I feel this path is treacherous not only to the pilot group at United, but also to ALPA as a whole.

By volunteering to join the Chicago Strike Committee, I am guessing that you, like me, wanted to become a part of the solution to the problems plaguing our profession. By taking that step, whether it be by walking a picket line, passing out flyers, attending shareholder meetings, or simply being available, you took on a responsibility that some shirk; namely, the responsibility to protect your own career. That is accomplished only if we remain vigilant at all levels.

In the end, regardless of my personal feelings on this TA, I cannot and will not support silencing the views expressed by either side on this issue before us. The SPSC Chairman/P2P JFK has taken the step just like you. Like you he has taken it upon himself to protect the viability of our vocation. He immersed himself in the contract and posited real concerns that should serve to expand the discussion for the betterment of us all. Sanctioning his actions accelerates the move toward linear or group think.

For continuity, I requested our Vice-Chairman for SPSC in Chicago to take over my position, pending approval of the MEC SPSC Chairman. I’ve known him for many years now and flew with him on the A320. He has been excellent counsel to me, particularly in the past six months, and I have no doubt in his ability to serve the pilots and ALPA. You can expect I will provide any assistance he needs in the transition.

It has been an honor to be a part of your team. Stay involved. Make this career your own. Make this union your own.

Fraternally,
Chicago Strike Chair
I would assume you are this person resigning, not just re-posting. If that is the case, I would aplaude you for your principled decision. As a member of a committee though, you may not have been aware that your contribution was to do the work of the committee as directed by it's Chairman and the MEC. These are not policy making positions. That is for those elected by the membership.

Unfortunately, many strong opinionated individuals volunteer for ALPA work, not realizing that in doing so, they are accountable and give up some ability to speak out. Or, they can choose to publicly speak their minds, but they will not be welcomed on a committee, it's just the way it works. Nevertheless, a noble falling on one's sword at the appropriate time has been a long tradition in ALPA's history.

In any case, thank you for serving the pilots. It is experiences like yours that are the catalyst for future candidates.
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Old 12-09-2012 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by untied
You don't have to trust them, just know that the L-UAL side will be running the MEC when the merger is complete. We simply have the majority.
Yeah, you guys did such a great job... can hardly wait.....
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Old 12-09-2012 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Baron50
I would assume you are this person resigning, not just re-posting.
Re-posting. Just re-posting.
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Old 12-09-2012 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by uaav8r
Because the UAL MEC hasn't done anything that would cause a CAL guy to lose their trust. Not so with regard to the CAL MEC.


btw, I voted Yes
Sorry buddy, I do remember you your Airlines' Torque program against Continental( and yes your pilots were involved not just the company).... Your wonderful leader of Council 12 calling the Cal employees Subservient,your wonderful furlough guy bashing the Cal pilots....Trust the Ual MEC.. LOL This has always been a two front war for all sides... Come on get real no one trusts no one here.... Lets get the SLI done and move on... There is prejudice on both sides here, I wonder how long it will last before it fades away or will it ever? Max
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Old 12-09-2012 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Maxepr1
Sorry buddy, I do remember you your Airlines' Torque program against Continental( and yes your pilots were involved not just the company).... Your wonderful leader of Council 12 calling the Cal employees Subservient,your wonderful furlough guy bashing the Cal pilots....Trust the Ual MEC.. LOL This has always been a two front war for all sides... Come on get real no one trusts no one here.... Lets get the SLI done and move on... There is prejudice on both sides here, I wonder how long it will last before it fades away or will it ever? Max
I'm not familiar with any of the three incidents you are referring to. Not suggesting they didn't happen, just not familiar with them. If what you say is accurate, then it is inexcusable. Each pilot group has had to deal with immeasurable poo from management for, well, a LONG time, and neither comes out smelling like a rose.

I agree that the best thing to do is get this thing finished, get the SLI done, and all end up working under the same agreement with the same goal. THAT is the best way forward that I can see. I'm sure there will be prejudice forever from some pilots, but I think the vast majority of us on both sides would like to turn our attention towards making this an airline worth working for and at. I still hear grumblings at Delta back and forth, but for the most part, it SEEMS to have faded into the background.
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Old 12-09-2012 | 12:10 PM
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The SLI could make the grumbling indefinite...
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Old 12-09-2012 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Wrsofked
The SLI could make the grumbling indefinite...
I agree, We all have an idea whats fair to us, what happens is for the arbitrators to decide.......
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Old 12-09-2012 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Maxepr1
I agree, We all have an idea whats fair to us, what happens is for the arbitrators to decide.......
I'm sure the standard merger litmus test will apply: it's a successful merger if no one is happy
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Old 12-09-2012 | 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by gettinbumped
I'm sure the standard merger litmus test will apply: it's a successful merger if no one is happy
The #1 guy and the arbitrators will be happy...
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