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Originally Posted by LAX Pilot
(Post 1326408)
I'm sure the CAL side is going to do everything procedurally they can to delay the ISL since management is favoring their side with pilot movement.
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Originally Posted by kc135driver
(Post 1326316)
... and the fact that they still have 7+ years to bypass.
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Originally Posted by LAX Pilot
(Post 1326408)
I'm sure the CAL side is going to do everything procedurally they can to delay the ISL since management is favoring their side with pilot movement.
Good thing this TA was voted in. We could have had actual protections to ensure that things like this didn't happen. Would have been terrible to try and ensure that the new contract actually had language that would have protected the furloughees and new CA slots from parking another fleet of aircraft. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by HuggyU2
(Post 1326521)
I thought they were required to fish or cut bait when they were given their second offer of recall (as the company moved up the list). Not true?
As far as those who didn't take the job offer I think they can still do that but they have to contact the company. The company doesn't have to go through the list again. |
Originally Posted by HuggyU2
(Post 1326521)
I thought they were required to fish or cut bait when they were given their second offer of recall (as the company moved up the list). Not true?
Sled |
Originally Posted by thor2j
(Post 1326354)
As updated from a member of the negotiating team, 6 mo for sli is looking more like a minimum of 9 mo. 1-2 system bids on cal side between now and then, not sure of UAL side.
Sled |
Originally Posted by jsled
(Post 1326616)
It's all in section 8-E of the CBA. No change from sUAL's last contract. IOW, it will all come out in the wash.
Sled Actually there are some slight changes to section 8. Of course you put the old UAL contract next to the UPA and noticed them yes? and just in case you missed it. LOA 26 Item 102  8 : Vacancies and Staffing  "Implementation to be developed by the Joint Implementation Team (JIT) At SLI the JIT will develop a process to provide for combined bidding of vacancies" ALL of section 8 applies to the above, but you can continue to bury your head in the sand. |
Originally Posted by liquid
(Post 1326626)
Actually there are some slight changes to section 8. Of course you put the old UAL contract next to the UPA and noticed them yes?
and just in case you missed it. LOA 26 Item 102  8 : Vacancies and Staffing  "Implementation to be developed by the Joint Implementation Team (JIT) At SLI the JIT will develop a process to provide for combined bidding of vacancies" ALL of section 8 applies to the above, but you can continue to bury your head in the sand. Sled |
Originally Posted by jsled
(Post 1326636)
SO you are saying the implementation schedule LOA for combining your system bids with our montly bids is going to negate section 8-E Displacement Bulletins? OK. I ain't saying your wrong, but that's pretty thin. Time will tell.
Sled I know you're a die hard DOH guy and foaming at the mouth, but remember that UCH ordered 737's for the sUAL side as a replacement for those 757's. The paragraph your hanging your hat on: 8-E-6-c A Pilot who has displacement rights may 1) displace into any Category (except for a Category being phased out as set forth in Section 8-E-7-b ) where a Pilot junior to him holds an assignment, whether activated or not, and excluding pilots who remain subject to displacement after the application of Section 8-E-7 or pilots exempt from displacement under the provisions of Section 7-I, or 2) be awarded any vacancy to which he is entitled by seniority. The current CAL contract, as it pertains to system bids, is still in effect. UCH must run 1 and now possibly 2 more system bids |
Originally Posted by liquid
(Post 1326650)
No, I am saying you need to read the UPA. Your assertion that Section 8 is a direct copy of your previous contract is incorrect, again go read. ALL of section 8 is on hold until the JIT figures out a process.
I know you're a die hard DOH guy and foaming at the mouth, but remember that UCH ordered 737's for the sUAL side as a replacement for those 757's. The paragraph your hanging your hat on: 8-E-6-c A Pilot who has displacement rights may 1) displace into any Category (except for a Category being phased out as set forth in Section 8-E-7-b ) where a Pilot junior to him holds an assignment, whether activated or not, and excluding pilots who remain subject to displacement after the application of Section 8-E-7 or pilots exempt from displacement under the provisions of Section 7-I, or 2) be awarded any vacancy to which he is entitled by seniority. The current CAL contract, as it pertaining to system bids, is still in effect. UCH must run 1 and now possibly 2 more system bids 2. I was clear in my post that IF there was a displacement bid AFTER <SLI> was done, then Section 8-E would apply. "displace into any Category (except for a Category being phased out as set forth in Section 8-E-7-b ) where a Pilot junior to him holds an assignment" is pretty clear to me. Being awarded a vacancy is voluntary, meaning if you don't bid, you don't get a vacancy. Some guys like to wait for the displacement bid. You go where you can hold (regardless of vacancies). Paid move. No freeze. Like I said. Time will tell. Sled |
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