Why would we need to duplicate a 737 training program for a few months? Why wouldn't UAL just subcontract this out to LCAL, including line training? Lots of the worlds airlines sub-out type ratings. I am sure we will be using CAL's SOP's anyway. Just a question.

 

Yup, that's an issue.

L-UAL can use the CAL sims, and photocopy the CAL syllabus, but the instructors and examiners training L-UAL pilots must be L-UAL seniority list pilots per the L-UAL contract and the UPA. Until SLI occurs the training departments remain separate.

 

The remaining 6 737-500's will be leaving the fleet. How many deliveries are expected on the LCAL side?
Last I heard it was 2 -900's per month, so I guess that's "nearly zero net change"

Do you know the anticipated delivery dates for those aircraft?

 

If there was sim time to be had. From previous years and the latest from the P2P, CAL has no more 737 sim time and will be using AMR's sims for overflow. CAL will continue to hire 60 a month through the summer into October.

 

Yup. It's less than a few percentage points as measured by the S-CAL fleet.

The 24 "United" 737-900ER deliveries in 2013 include the L-UAL assigned aircraft from the L-UAL order in 2012. Per the announcement, L-UAL aircraft are scheduled for deliveries starting in August, 2013. UCH also actually cancelled some pre-merger CAL 737NG orders when the MAX order was placed; I don't know offhand the original delivery dates for the cancelled aircraft.

Even if S-CAL takes 18 of the 24 this year (which would match the 2012 pace) it's only a net increase of 12. Add 3 787s in the second half and 15 divided by the CAL fleet (360?) is a pretty small percentage that could be rounded to zero, but I described as nearly zero. CAL is hiring for retirements, FAR 117, and the UPA, not some massive growth plan.

It's all p***ing in the wind anyway---at this point the merger is complete, except for SLI, and all these aircraft are "United" airplanes.

 

We do not subcontract out our jobs. Training UAL pilots is the job of UAL pilots.

And I don't want to hear about code share, etc because training pilots is in the old and new CBA.

 

looking forward to the LAX 756 base. If it's on the next CAL sys bid, as a 98 hire I should be able to hold CA. Awesome!

 

FLAME ON brother !!!

 

I read LUAL is losing 15 757's in 2013 and taking delivery of 2 737-900's per month starting in September.

LCAL is losing 6 737's by June and taking delivery of 2 737's a month until June.

(read this on my company iPad)

 

A net decrease in airframes on the UAL side: 15 757's for 8 737's

A net increase in airframes on the CAL side: 6 737-500's for 12 737-900's

Thanks Otto