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Lerxst 02-25-2013 06:58 AM
Originally Posted by syd111 (Post 1359762)
I think the biggest blunder was alpa allowing just about anyone into the union including those joining just to try to protect some seniority in the case of a merger.
You keep saying this. What merger mania was happening when BOTH CAL and FedEx (re)joined ALPA in 2001?

The truth is that ALPA National was on a dues drive and specifically went after CAL, FedEx, and AA. They got two of three.

cadetdrivr 02-25-2013 06:59 AM
Originally Posted by SpecialTracking (Post 1359758)
April 2008, United and Continental break off merger talks. June 2008, United announces the parking of the 737 fleet and 747's. April 2009, United and Continental announce intent to cooperate extensively, linking their networks and services worldwide.
Just one correction: the UAL/CAL "virtual merger" (their words, not mine) was also announced in June 2008 just days after both UAL and CAL announced the retirement of the 737-300/500s on the same day.

syd111 02-25-2013 07:08 AM
Originally Posted by Lerxst (Post 1359771)
You keep saying this. What merger mania was happening when BOTH CAL and FedEx (re)joined ALPA in 2001?

The truth is that ALPA National was on a dues drive and specifically went after CAL, FedEx, and AA. They got two of three.
Sure whatever you think, merger talks and rumours were already started, good protection though, it should work well for you.

APC225 02-25-2013 07:16 AM
Originally Posted by Moby Dick (Post 1359760)
Here we go. The WORST definition of "career expectations."

Nyah, nyah, you weren't profitable, so you get stapled.
Just responding to the idea that anyone's career expectations in the '90s has anything to do with reality.

Moby Dick 02-25-2013 07:19 AM
"Career expectations" is the biggest bunch hogwash flowing. No one in the airline business has ANY career expectations.

Ask any Eastern, TWA or Pan Am pilot, if you're old enough to remember those outfits.

SoCalGuy 02-25-2013 07:23 AM
Originally Posted by SpecialTracking (Post 1359758)
April 2008, United and Continental break off merger talks. June 2008, United announces the parking of the 737 fleet and 747's. April 2009, United and Continental announce intent to cooperate extensively, linking their networks and services worldwide.
Yep, that Glenn was awesome.

SoCalGuy 02-25-2013 07:27 AM
Originally Posted by Moby Dick (Post 1359760)
Here we go. The WORST definition of "career expectations."

Nyah, nyah, you weren't profitable, so you get stapled.

What a bunch of B.S.

This is EXACTLY why replacing DoH with "career expectations" in the ALPA merger/frag policy was the biggest blunder in the last 75 years of ALPA. And why did it happen? Because UAL was trying to protect their widebody seats from USAir pilots in the failed merger proposition in the '90s.

Looks like that chicken is coming home to roost.
Why don't you go bend Capt Cassidy's ear on the topic?? After all, at least your carrier has direct representation by way of a National Officer.

SpecialTracking 02-25-2013 08:44 AM
Originally Posted by SoCalGuy (Post 1359793)
Yep, that Glenn was awesome.
Awesome is in the eye of the beholder. He did what he set out to do.

Moby Dick 02-25-2013 08:55 AM
Originally Posted by SoCalGuy (Post 1359796)
Why don't you go bend Capt Cassidy's ear on the topic?? After all, at least your carrier has direct representation by way of a National Officer.
Because politicians count votes. And the "Big Three" have the votes. Nothing is going to change until THEY want it changed.

SoCalGuy 02-25-2013 10:27 AM
Originally Posted by SpecialTracking (Post 1359878)
Awesome is in the eye of the beholder. He did what he set out to do.
In that case, for edification, "Awesome" was marinaded in 100% sarcasm.


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