We would espouse those beliefs to you but not between ourselves? Are the pilots you speak of promoting DOH/straight longevity or are they interpreting ALPA merger policy? There is a big difference.

Explain please. Which airline are you defining by highest career expectations?

The word expectation means to expect something. We have career expectations of holding the left seat and continuing to buy more aircraft. You have career expectations of being recalled, parking aircraft, and increasing the size of your domestic RJ fleet. No comparison there.

The size or most of any one aircraft type does not define career expectations. It defines what makes up an airline and types of flying that it does. It does not give any type of status to said pilot group.

It's category is defined by pay and the contract specification, i.e. 767, 737, 787, etc. Flying a widebody gives no more status or career expectations than does flying the smallest aircraft for said airline. If what you say is true, then the seniority list would be the same as DOH and you would never see an FO being senior to a CA.

For a brief moment, the Great Wall of China and the face palm I did after reading that were the only manmade things on Earth visible from space with the naked eye.

Good to hear. Hopefully there are one or two original members left. TOP's "So Very Hard To Go" and EWF's "Reasons" were part the soundtrack for the compulsory "grab and grind" portion of every house party I went to in my teens.

They say you fondly remember old music because it came from a good time in your life. I had a blast in the 80s (college... the best eight years of my life), but I still think most of the music sucked. TOP, EWF, and a lot of the stuff from the 60s and 70s is timeless.

Don't start talking logic among this group. Bias is skewed too far that they can't see this.

Sonny, I say ...if you have 8 years on property,flying the line or riding the reserve train,you should be placed above the guy with 7 yrs, 11 mos and 30 days. How would one have 8 years if they were hired early 2001? Furloughed oct/nov 2001...recalled summer 2007, then furloughed again in 2008/early 2009.. My math adds up to less than 3 total years jerking gear..not happy about it, but where do you get 8 years?

I can speak for 1999 guys/gals...hired 8/99 furloughed 8/2003 (4 years) recalled 12/2005 and furloughed again 12/2009 (another 4 years) and a wonderful fun filled 1+year at CAL (another year) total =9.

Don't know about 2001 "hires" maybe someone could speak up.....just want to make sure you do not fall into the whole "you are furloughed so you are getting stapled" so just suck it up and expect to be stapled below the bottom CAL pilot hired in 2008.

Also many of us who were hired in our mid to late 20's have the expectation (just running the numbers even with age 65) we will have a lot of 747/777 left seat capt time by retirement. I came to UAL for widebody flying.


Either way it is going to be an interesting SLI.

Not all the x2 furloughess were hired in '01. Take a guy (like Sonny) that was hired in '99, furloughed in '03, recalled in '05 and furloughed again in '09. That's eight years--the majority as a line holder due to the pace of hiring in '99 and recalls in '05. FWIW, there are pilots in that group that have flown every aircraft in the fleet including the 747.

While I applaud your mind set in trying to trample the useless others in attempts to re-bid the airline, I will try to get inside the heads of these "union" types that you are jousting with. Let's see.

I imagine the 1998-2001 new hires at United had career expectations of flying for a profitable company with one of the top international route structures in the world and a fleet of large widebody aircraft and a fleet of extensive little single aisle jets too (like 757's, 737's, etc).

I'm sure in their careers from the late 90's to the early 00's, they might have even carried some future wunderkids going on high school and college trips with their parents who would later solo a mighty CE-152 and even be captains at Continental, hired in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, etc.

Career expectations take on different meanings at different times but by all means, keep up the good work because I like the sound of where all of this is going.

=8. Time at LCAL doesn't count in the SLI process as they are new hires and are not recalled pilots, or so I've been told.