You guys really are dense.....

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Carrer expectations is a subjective thing.

A UAL pilot will say, I deserve a seniority bump because I would have been a senior wide body Captain the last 5 years of my career at UAL.

A CAL pilot will say, I deserve a bump because I made narrow body Captain at 35, flew left seat for 25 years and then made senior wide body Captain the last 5 years of my career at CAL.

You decide.

Who has a better career expectation.............?

 

Since we are playing silly games, I'll take answer "C" where the UAL pilot will fly widebody Captain for the last 15 years because L-UAL has three times the widebodies. And that was after flying the left seat of the narrowbody and spending half of the FO years in the widebody since L-UAL has about the same number of narrowbody and widebody FOs due to augmented crew requirments.

Besides, widebody FO must be a better gig than the narrowbody CA based upon the seniority of widebody FOs and narrowbody CAs at both L-UAL and L-CAL.

Yes, let's talk career expectations.

 

You are making false assumptions, which is why your logic doesn't work. UAL guys aren't going to be Airbus FOs for 30 years then magically become widebody captains for the last 5 years.

Also, CAL pilots aren't all going to be Captains for 30 years.

I have 3 friends hired in the 90s. Two of them tell me that they will NEVER hold widebody Captain. They say they just don't have enough airplanes for all CAL pilots to hold them.

They've all been there 15 years and they are all FOs still.

If the bottom guy on the CAL seniority list got CAL 777 Capt, that doesn't mean all the pilots can all be 777 Capts. WHO WOULD FLY THE OTHER SEATS AND PLANES?

Being a FO for 15 years at CAL and never holding Captain on a Widebody is clearly a career expectation, because 2/3 of the guys I personally know there won't ever hold it.

And most pilots at UAL spend at least 10 years as a widebody Captain, since we have 3 or 4 times as many airplanes. Most of our 95 hires HAVE BEEN CAPTAINS FOR AS MANY AS 10 YEARS.

So I don't care that some 2005 hire just got a Captain bid.

Big deal. You have 15 year FO's just like we do.

Good luck with your career.

 

2005 hires are holding 756 CA in EWR...but then again that's probably because of the horrible work rules in the UPA...er...never mind.

 

..... or if you weren't a specially entitled minority!

 

Who cares who holds what seats. You bring X widebody jobs and Y narrowbody jobs.

United bring Y widebody jobs and X narrowbody jobs.

The distribution is not important.

Just the total number of jobs.

If the bottom guy at CAL held 777 CAP it wouldn't matter. Its not like the entire list would be made as senior as the junior UAL 777 Capt.

 

And we have 25 year FO's just like you. I know you enjoy your rant about your 'friends', but its fact check time. The simple truth is your 15 year FO friends can hold 75/76 Capt in both EWR and IAH at approx 85%.

Yes they will be fully trained on the dreaded 767-400 which pays just as much as the blessed Whale. Perhaps they won't fly it much at their base seniority, but the simple truth is they could be qualified top pay band captains. And let's also not forget that the 757-300 pays what the 767-300 pays. Your friends are 15 year FO's not because they lack the chance for advancement, rather they like plush senior widebody schedules.

 

I was correcting the inaccurate information that you were using in making your asinine point...carry on.

 

Precisely.

There's a reason why folks don't want to be in the bottom 15% of any fleet/seat and thus the causation why other fleets/seats go more "senior".

Why take a major QOL hit for a minor bump in total compensation?