EWR73FO

I didn't win. And neither did any other pilot at UAL. We simply move on with the knowledge that instead of trying to secure a contract for OUR future, 67% of both groups decided to put greed and self-interest above all else.

Poppy

I will grant you that some moral issues override my self-interest such as scope, first year pay, first year medical, etc. But, once I get past that, I'm curious, just who's interest am I supposed to look out for when I vote for anything? In my case, after I've satisfied what I see as moral and ethical obligations, I vote in the way that best suits myself and my family. In doing this, an enlightened pilot will also consider the long-term consequences of his/her vote on the Union, company, and fellow pilots.

I've watched a lot of guys over my 25+ year career, and the more that they wrap themselves in the flag of unionism, mom's apple pie, the commonweal, and whatever other smug holier than thou mantle that they can don, the more it is about their own enlightened self-interest.

I'm pretty certain that when you accuse the 67% of "greed and self-interest," you are simply stating that your own self-interest, enlightened or otherwise, was not served by the UPA. Fair enough, but to use that as an excuse to tar and feather the yes voters is nothing more than a temper tantrum.

Staller

You won as soon as you started showing your panties. Maybe Poppy can straighten them for you - he seems like a swell guy?

FurloughedX2

I'm still trying to figure you out Staller. I don't spend a whole lot of time on these here forums, but I think you just come on here to mess with people for your own personal enjoyment......and that is fine, this is all mindless BS. I wasn't going to bite on this, but here it goes...I feel that the junior guys were hung out to dry by the senior guys at LUAL. I know they had guns up to their heads and HAD to sign away the scope and everything else that led to yet another painful furlough for us. If you think about it, the LCAL guys didn't cave on scope and furloughed, only once, a fraction of what LUAL did. Yes , I blame the senior guys for protecting themselves and not us. There I said it. They , and you can deny. That is how I , and many others feel. Sling your mud my man, as I am sure you will.

FurloughedX2

I am a platinum member Bro! I am NOT willing to sit back and take it another minute. Everyone who didn't get furloughed, still made a living, had health benefits for their families, kept their houses, etc, feels as though we are garbage, and deserve to be stapled. We shall see....
I feel that if you were on property for overall less time.....you are overall junior. If I have 14 years, 8+ on property, I deserve that 8+ years credit. At the very least! After all, the company I got hired at was United. The company I now work for is United. Also, you can't give LCAL furloughees credit for their furloughs, and not do the same for LUAL guys. Pure and simple.

Staller

I'm not sure that's enough to go on "I feel that the junior guys were hung out to dry by the senior guys at LUAL"

Almost everything that's happened to the UAL pilots since the mid 80's was voted on by the pilot group. Since the mid-90's the old senior guys didn't have the numbers to control any vote.
Now the 70 sweaters was a side letter and is owned by Whiteford.

As far as cal holding the line on scope, they were never tested. Their contract was worse than most RJ outfits and cal management never had a need to go in the RJ direction because they had more flexibility with the 737. If at any point cal management wanted mass RJ's they would have gotten them. Especially with pierce as cal mec chair.

routemap

Delta 76 seat jets
NWA 70 seat jets
L-United many, many 70 seat jets
US Airways +70 seat jets
Alaska Airlines 70 seat jets

Continental Airlines 50 seat jets!!!!!

Never tested, once again, you know more about our history than any CAL pilot.

Do you not like Pierce or something?

SpecialTracking

You need not be offended. I'm one of utes. Just recounting the dog eat dog world of those wearing rose colored glasses only to discover twenty years later that it was all for naught.

Go Cards?

Staller

I'll stand by my original statement. cal management didn't have a need for bigger RJ's they had them in the cal 737 and cal pilots 80's contract. You know we waste all our negating leverage just getting you cal guys up to an acceptable ALPA contract. Ended up with a POS contract peppered with old cal language.


Again, The 70 seaters was a Whiteford deal and he is suffering the fate for his actions. He's not welcomed to at any LEC,MEC meetings or functions and when seen in the crew room he's walking with his back against the wall and his path on the baseboard. Many of your cal brethren should know that path.


You guys had a couple of contracts to get them in order and you didn't. Not even the simple stuff. Now you want to try to convince the UAL pilots that your group held the line on scope - That's a joke!