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Old 04-09-2013, 09:18 PM
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The merger announcement date was in May 2010. Bid 12-03 was the first bid AFTER the MAD for Continental. It's results are in Skynet for all to see. It was posted in Sept, 2010. Here are the junior Captain awards in each domicile.

IAH 787 CAP 6/84
777 CAP 10/84
756 CAP 5/90
737 CAP 11/98

EWR 777 CAP 3/86
756 CAP 10/95
737 CAP 8/98

CLE 737 CAP 7/98
GUM 737 CAP 5/05

Except GUM, the junior Capt at CAL was hired in 1998. The junior Capt at UAL was hired in 1996 at the time of the merger announcement. Pretty close. Things that make you go hmmmmmm.

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Old 04-09-2013, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by jsled View Post
The merger announcement date was in May 2010. Bid 12-03 was the first bid AFTER the MAD. It's results are in Skynet for all to see. It was posted in Sept, 2010. Here are the junior Captain awards in each domicile.

IAH 787 CAP 6/84
777 CAP 10/84
756 CAP 5/90
737 CAP 11/98

EWR 777 CAP 3/86
756 CAP 10/95
737 CAP 8/98

CLE 737 CAP 7/98
GUM 737 CAP 5/05

Except GUM, the junior Capt was hired in 1998. The junior Capt at UAL was hired in 1995 at the time of the merger announcement. Things that make you go hmmmmmm.

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At the time of the merger I had been a bus Capt for 6 years.
-Jan 96 hire
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Originally Posted by ron kent View Post
At the time of the merger I had been a bus Capt for 6 years.
-Jan 96 hire
ok. corrected. No data for the UAL side, just going from memory after the 2008 backslide (I'm a 97 hire that was bumped from Capt in 09). The point being the 2 airlines were pretty close as far as captain hire dates. Not so much today, but that's a result of post-merger announcement bids.

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Originally Posted by jsled View Post
ok. corrected. No data for the UAL side, just going from memory after the 2008 backslide (I'm a 97 hire that was bumped from Capt in 09). The point being the 2 airlines were pretty close as far as captain hire dates. Not so much today, but that's a result of post-merger announcement bids.

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I could be wrong, but I believe a lot of those date are COEX hire dates, not mainline.
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Old 04-10-2013, 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by ron kent View Post
At the time of the merger I had been a bus Capt for 6 years.
-Jan 96 hire
Plus I, guessing it was in a pretty decent domicile.

At the time of the merger some 96 hires had been Captains since 1999!
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12-03 wouldn't have been the first system bid after the announcement of the merger. This bid would have been released in March of 2011.

Not that any of this matters.......
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Old 04-10-2013, 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Olecal View Post
I could be wrong, but I believe a lot of those date are COEX hire dates, not mainline.
Those would be CAL hire dates (or crossover relative dates for the express people)....

The COEX dates only apply to pass travel and some longevity, NOT monthly or system bidding or staffing equations.
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Originally Posted by 6blade View Post
Those would be CAL hire dates (or crossover relative dates for the express people)....

The COEX dates only apply to pass travel and some longevity, NOT monthly or system bidding or staffing equations.
Yes, but on the list he is using, the COEX dates are published on the seniority list. How else could you explain 95 hires junior to 98 hires?
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So is the Cal seniority list out of sequence? A 98 hire bids higher than a 95 hire?
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So is the Cal seniority list out of sequence? A 98 hire bids higher than a 95 hire?
If you have access, go look at the coair seniority list. The answer is YES if you look at the seniority list. The DOH shown is sometimes the COEX hire date, but seniority (bidding) is determined by the actual date they came to mainline, not the COEX hire date that is on that list. I could be wrong, but if you are a CAL pilot, you would know this!
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