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Mwindaji 04-10-2013 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1388424)
YEah...an error. That's the ticket. Or maybe that is what CAL pilots held in the August 2010 bid....which is AFTER the merger announcement.

SLedster

Merger was not official until the United shareholders voted for it 17 Sep 2010.

Staller 04-10-2013 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1388434)

Thanks! The info is there.

jsled 04-10-2013 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by Mwindaji (Post 1388463)
Merger was not official until the United shareholders voted for it 17 Sep 2010.

you might want to read past merger awards regarding constructive notice dates and "snapshot" dates. Dal/Nwa is a good example. None that I know of have used the shareholder approval date, but you never know.

Sled

jsled 04-10-2013 04:30 PM

DAL/NWA used April 14, 2008, the MAD, as the constructive notice date. And July 2008, the date of the process agreement between DALPA and NALPA, as the "snapshot" date. (yes, it says "snapshot date" in the SLI award) Shareholders approved the merger in September.

Our MEC's have already agreed to a constructive notice date of MAD (May 2, 2010) in a Protocol Agreement signed by Pierce, Brucia, Morse, Ruark, and Prater on May 17, 2010 (the 25th anniversary of our stike). If the DAL/NWA precedent is followed, May 17th will likely be the snapshot date, since it is the date both sides agreed to the protocol. You can read this agreement for yourself. It is Attachment B in the T&PA.

Sled

6blade 04-10-2013 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by cadetdrivr (Post 1388420)
In all seriousness, and not directed at your personally, but what is the CAL "growth" that keeps being mentioned????

The CAL/sCAL fleet is virtually identical in size in 2005, 2008, 2010, and 2013 (these are the only dates I bothered to look up) and is actually smaller today than in 2008.

Ok,... my growth... in my career. (nearly a 2000 number increase)We stayed the same size... replaced old airplanes with new ones, that were able to generate more RSMs because of increased usage / efficiency / more lines etc... replaced retired pilots with new ones... we did not take the path of LUAL. Please do tell how did it go for you?

Love hearing about how once you guys were 727 Captains and now your not... well at CAL, once we were 737 captains and now we are 756 captain... Same timeframe.... different results.

Funny how the LUAL guys always talk about how the SLI will be... never is it a LCAL guy starting the thread... we only respond to your hype and hysteria....

Good luck.
See you on the walk around.

6blade 04-10-2013 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1388625)
Sticks and Stones, brother. For the record, I would not bet against your statement.

Sled

step brother....

Staller 04-10-2013 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by 6blade (Post 1388623)
Ok,... my growth... in my career. (nearly a 2000 number increase)We stayed the same size... replaced old airplanes with new ones, that were able to generate more RSMs because of increased usage / efficiency / more lines etc... replaced retired pilots with new ones... we did not take the path of LUAL. Please do tell how did it go for you?

Love hearing about how once you guys were 727 Captains and now your not... well at CAL, once we were 737 captains and now we are 756 captain... Same timeframe.... different results.

Funny how the LUAL guys always talk about how the SLI will be... never is it a LCAL guy starting the thread... we only respond to your hype and hysteria....

Good luck.
See you on the walk around.

Another cal guy that believes what he reads on this forum. Still doesn't understand his position - please look in the mirror and say to yourself "I'm just a cal pilot" may have to say it a couple of times.

SpecialTracking 04-10-2013 05:11 PM

Sweet Jesus H. Christ, this place is gonna suck more than a tick on a two day suck for years to come. Give it a rest ladies!

Short Bus Drive 04-10-2013 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by SpecialTracking (Post 1388631)
Sweet Jesus H. Christ, this place is gonna suck more than a tick on a two day suck for years to come. Give it a rest ladies!

+ 1 MILLION!!!!

The merger's done. The contract's done. The SLI (or ISL) will be decided by arbitrators....
Move on....
Don't agree with it all, but....:(

LAX Pilot 04-10-2013 05:17 PM


Originally Posted by 6blade (Post 1388623)
Love hearing about how once you guys were 727 Captains and now your not... well at CAL, once we were 737 captains and now we are 756 captain... Same timeframe.... different results.
.

You all know this is misleading. Less than half the jobs you brought were Captain jobs. Most of those were 737 Captain jobs. There are some 757 and 777 but not that many.

Just because you let it go very junior, doesn't mean everyone there can hold those seats.


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