Furloughed = "robust career expectations"?
04-16-2013, 10:02 AM
#181
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Originally Posted by AxlF16
The corporations are what they are -- cold, unfeeling entities that only care about making a return on capital invested. The last generation of sr managers have extracted the remaining vestiges of humanity from otherwise heartless corporations in a disgusting display of greed and ego. So the only entity we can count on to have humanity and a conscience is our collective selves -- our unions. This is exactly where so many have gone wrong -- attempting to profit at others expense while ignoring any semblance of honor, integrity, or fairness. Unfortunately that is exactly what your CAL ALPA leadership has done.
So no, I have no loyalty to UAL, CAL, or UCH. I will do NOTHING to help and I won't lose a second of sleep. IMO your leadership has painted your pilot group in the same light as the corporation. In all honesty I don't trust your leadership (and by extension your pilot group) any more than I trust ual/cal/UCH. And I'm the reasonable guy in the crowd.
So no, I have no loyalty to UAL, CAL, or UCH. I will do NOTHING to help and I won't lose a second of sleep. IMO your leadership has painted your pilot group in the same light as the corporation. In all honesty I don't trust your leadership (and by extension your pilot group) any more than I trust ual/cal/UCH. And I'm the reasonable guy in the crowd.
04-16-2013, 12:03 PM
#182
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Originally Posted by LAX Pilot
I'd be shocked if furloughees get stapeled. They don't deserve it and it doesn't say that anywhere in the NEW policy.
No one deserves anything. You sound like one of those kids who was continually told you were special and deserves a medal for getting last place at your soccer game.
Sometimes, just sometimes, life's not fair.
04-16-2013, 12:40 PM
#183
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Originally Posted by liquid
Sometimes, just sometimes, life's not fair.
Last edited by cadetdrivr; 04-16-2013 at 12:56 PM.
04-16-2013, 12:57 PM
#184
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Originally Posted by cadetdrivr
It's a two way street. Remember that when you read the award.
I've said it before, I'll live with what is put out by the arbitrators. I will not put up with being told I am a second class citizen because I am Continental Airlines pilot.
04-16-2013, 01:17 PM
#186
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Originally Posted by AxlF16
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So no, I have no loyalty to UAL, CAL, or UCH. I will do NOTHING to help and I won't lose a second of sleep. IMO your leadership has painted your pilot group in the same light as the corporation. In all honesty I don't trust your leadership (and by extension your pilot group) any more than I trust ual/cal/UCH. And I'm the reasonable guy in the crowd.
So no, I have no loyalty to UAL, CAL, or UCH. I will do NOTHING to help and I won't lose a second of sleep. IMO your leadership has painted your pilot group in the same light as the corporation. In all honesty I don't trust your leadership (and by extension your pilot group) any more than I trust ual/cal/UCH. And I'm the reasonable guy in the crowd.
04-16-2013, 02:20 PM
#187
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Originally Posted by Pilotbiffster
Interesting .. had not looked closely at the furlough provisions of the the CBA and was instead relying on the procedures as delineated in prior contract. Will peruse the section and pass the info on to my buds that are back on active duty. Thanks for the correction 
When it all is said and done, there is no difference to either provision in the new CBA.
In my case, voluntary furlough, bypassed for 18 months then decided to take a CAL job. Offered recall at UAL in Jan, bypassed and have 10 years from original furlough date to re-enter the recall pool.
That of course is moot once the ISL is done. Nevertheless, that it is what it is.
Pretty simple.
Frats,
Lee
04-16-2013, 03:22 PM
#188
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Originally Posted by Blockoutblockin
Maybe its just you. Maybe the EAP can help you out. Maybe you'll be happy some day but I doubt it.
Since you're concerned, my name is Chris Rose and I'm based in JFK on the 767. Feel free to report me to the company, FAA, professional standards, or EAP.
We've all seen people like you....
04-16-2013, 04:11 PM
#190
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Originally Posted by Blockoutblockin
Hmmm, I think you need to help yourself. Give the EAP a call, they are there to listen to your concerns. You'll thank me later.
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