Originally Posted by sonnycrockett

To all the pilots who walked the line.......FOR ME........I say "Thank You"

I walked the EAL line when I was 17 years old and a High School Senior....I walked it with my south Florida neighbors/pilots. (rEAL guys)

I am shocked at recent developments with my own airline career. The entitlement crowd of CAL 2005-2008 hires who are more then willing to walk over the backs of ALPA brothers. I wear a 20 year ALPA pin and am ashamed at pilots on BOTH sides of this nightmare.

We all need to look in the mirror and really think about what we are looking at.

I heard a story recently from a CAL Capt about his F/O he was flying with after his IOE.. This FO made it clear that he was going to give him "the real IOE" and let him know how it is done from the right seat. Was this F/O a 20 year veteran? No....rather another self entitled "gimme-gimme-gimme" 2005 hire at CAL.

My old man made one statement that really rings out to this day.

"I am not giving you this career as I received it in 1965---I am sorry the field I am letting you grow the crop in will not yield anything worth selling"

Sadly this career has been sliding backwards since the early 80's if not sooner than that. We only have ourselves to blame.

Where is the Unity? Where is my Union?

Originally Posted by El Gwopo

Do you have an example of why you are "ashamed" of the LUAL pilots? Or, just THAT example.

Originally Posted by jdt30

Sonny Crockett

I read your post, and I agree with most of it. I do find the portion of your post about the 2005-2006 hires a tad offensive. I was hired in 2006 after flying for the military, so my ALPA experience is limited, but I never want career progression at the expense of someone else. So painting everyone in that group with a broad stroke is a little bothersome. I plan on having a long career at the combined United; I want to come to work do the job, and enjoy the comradery of the pilots I fly with. I've read a majority of your posts, and they all tend to come from a level headed point of view so I don't want you to think I'm angry or upset by this one. After all the blustery posts on APC and Calforums I can see how everyone's blood pressure is a little high on both sides of the airline.

Hopefully after the arbitrators decide what the list looks like we are both equally disapointed enough to grab a beer and politely complain about the outcome.

Your Future Union Brother
-JDT

Originally Posted by Staller

You want to blame the attitudes promoted by the cal pilots as market forces. Give us a break - the cal culture was formulated with a scab mentally. ALPA and UAL MEC did more in the last 2 years to move you past that and the self-serving attitudes. The "United Culture" has arrived and it will not tolerate past practices by and against the cal pilots to be used to formulate our group moving forward.

Originally Posted by sonnycrockett

LOA25
Furlough protection giveaway
EMB-170 Side Letter
Bond distribution
Age 65
Flying 90+ lines while we had guys on furlough (oink, oink, oink)
TPA expiration and "hurry up and sign a CBA"

Jay H speaking at the JFK pizza party....worried about getting the combined MEC Chair and not worrying about his furloughed brothers/sisters but how he can beat Jay Pos.
(Not in his top 5 priorities---his words not mine)


I am LUAL btw...not sure you see that?

Originally Posted by sonnycrockett

Was this F/O a 20 year veteran? No....rather another self entitled "gimme-gimme-gimme" 2005 hire at CAL.

Originally Posted by sonnycrockett

JDT-

Upon further reflection I should have worded my words more carefully and not group all pilots in the 2005-2008 range....point taken.

Would be happy to have a beer with you anytime!

Fly safe...

Originally Posted by Really

So, I'm curious now!! After "further reflection" how would you have re-worded that offensive statement?

Originally Posted by Old UCAL CA

Call it what you want, Sport. Thumping your chest like a tough guy isn't going to alter the supply and demand of pilot labor one iota any more than thinking a labor action was somehow going to stop deregulation.

Interesting dream though.