Staller

Must be nice having someone do your dirty work. Keep in mind that your group will always be tainted by his actions.

horrido27

^
Whatever dude..
You're a waste of bandwidth.

Motch

Snarge

Guts? Your framed comment suggests that the YES voters are cowards, or at least not willing to openly discuss the vote. Whereas, I would suggest that you didn't have the guts to vote YES. You knew the JCBA would probably pass, so you got to play the hard core NO voter and now, you get to play the "I told you so" and "I had courage".....

Open forum and discussion....

The reason why the SFO/WAS 737 base has not opened up already is because (supposedly) the UAL MC told UCH if you do that prior to SLI, the UAL pilots will be enraged over the perception/reality that the CAL guys have surely benefited much more in this merger....

Yet, you and the NO voters are missing a fundamental point...

Sure you've got reasons to vote NO.... and you've listed them in this post... and I share many of them... of course I wanted the JCBA to be better... but despite your shared eloquent and logical reasons for voting NO, you weren't going to get better; scope, pay, retro, etc... it wasn't going to happen. Why? because you have no compelling reasons. You might be able to convince yourself, but the JNC, two MECs and 67% thought differently... yet the 33% are still the smart guys?


UCH, like USAIR was going advantage the the lower pay cost and continue to operate. After about a year, enough NO voters would be worn down and tired, ready for a deal and with a net gain of zero.. it would have passed... that is if U-ALPA and C-ALPA didn't morally collapse into Lord of the Flies....

Staller

That's ok - I don't have that monkey on my back.

Really

Staller, I didn't realize how much you guys thought Jay P was "Out Negotiating" your side! Don't worry this will soon be all over, and Jay P will be able to help you out in all your Neg. needs!!

horrido27

Snarge.. before this gets out of hand- I will PM you my number if you want to talk.
As far as I'm concerned, the Vote is over. Yet one of your own UAL Pilots came on here and threw JP out as the reason this 40 seat Large RJ order is happening. My reply was simple. How did you vote?

If anyone voted YES and then *****es about the crap that is happening, well.. what did they expect.

I was taught a valuable lesson early on in life. You get nothing without working hard for it. And sometimes, you have to fight for it. And sometimes Life is Unfair.

In my opinion, both unions were dysfunctional from the start.. and yet we garnered a 99% Strike Vote. And then we did nothing with it.

But it's over.

As far as the SFO Base.. if the reason was the "UAL Pilots will be enraged".. ok, whatever. In my experience, management doesn't seem to care about workers being "enraged". They care about the bottom line.
When "enraged" equals a Strike or something else that costs us money, then the company will Stop and take notice.
But a threat of "being enraged"?!

When all is said and done, I think you will see two major hubs on the West Coast, and two on the East Coast. I expect they will have 73's everywhere.. as it will end up being our greatest fleet.
The only question now is when? The company has a JCBA.. so they can start implementing new bases at their pleasure (my opinion).

If they do a SFO Base prior to the SLI and it's only offered to the CAL Pilots (based on our current CBA).. sorry.
But once we have the SLI, and that base continues to grow, there will be openings for both sides.

Oh, and unless the SFO losses aircraft/staffing due to a 737 base, it's not that big of an issue in the short term.

Again, word on the rumor mill is that the SFO Base is waiting for SLI. Though, on the LCAL Side, we require (per our old CBA) another bid (even if it turns out to be a bid per the new CBA) sometime in the next three months. That is prior to SLI.

Motch

Staller

pierce didn't out negotiate anybody - he sold out your group on day one and tried to sell ours out - he lost and you have a POS contract that allows for the RJ's that will replace your 737's. j.pierce will likely end up with Jeff and his management team. He'll have no place on the combined MEC - not even as an advisor. Kind of like prater's fall from grace, pierce will find his bottom.

Staller

Not trying to state the obvious but the crew meals issue is simple - get off airplane and get something to eat. If the flight is delayed it will get attention and resolution eventually. Crew rest facilities - don't leave the gate until it's resolved - flight delays will get attention. Doesn't matter how you voted on the contract it's here and it's your responsibility to enforce it.

APC225

Our old management will do what it the did from 2000 to 2005 when they built up to use 274 35/50-seat Embraers--stop hiring and shrink with retirements resulting in seniority stagnation for most.

APC225

Not getting paid in timely fashion, lack of access to the existing process to get paid in a timely fashion, and the general delay-as-management-tool philosophy.