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Slats Extend 06-05-2013 09:01 AM

The fat lady is singing...
 

The Gulf operator’s fleet of Airbus SAS A380 superjumbos, set to grow to 90 planes, could comfortably fly from northern Asia to cities in the north and central US, as could Boeing Co.’s 777-200LR, Emirates President Tim Clark said in Cape Town.

“The last piece of the jigsaw is the trans-Pacific,” he said in a strategy briefing. “Where we will go, when we will do it, and with what, is under plan at the moment.”

Emirates serves 134 cities and has scope to double that, aided by orders for extra A380s and Boeing’s new 777X, Clark said. The carrier will be able to board people in Asia under liberalised traffic rights secured by the UAE.

“The open skies arrangement that the UAE has with the US allows us to take passengers on a fifth-freedom basis from the west coast and central points in the US to points in Asia,” he said.

“On the other side of the equation we have open skies with Singapore, Thailand and certain points in Japan.”

Clark said that the plan for Pacific flights doesn’t change the aspirations of its business model, though these “have morphed into being a truly global airline.”

LeeMat 06-05-2013 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by Slats Extend (Post 1422496)

The Gulf operator’s fleet of Airbus SAS A380 superjumbos, set to grow to 90 planes, could comfortably fly from northern Asia to cities in the north and central US, as could Boeing Co.’s 777-200LR, Emirates President Tim Clark said in Cape Town.

“The last piece of the jigsaw is the trans-Pacific,” he said in a strategy briefing. “Where we will go, when we will do it, and with what, is under plan at the moment.”

Emirates serves 134 cities and has scope to double that, aided by orders for extra A380s and Boeing’s new 777X, Clark said. The carrier will be able to board people in Asia under liberalised traffic rights secured by the UAE.

“The open skies arrangement that the UAE has with the US allows us to take passengers on a fifth-freedom basis from the west coast and central points in the US to points in Asia,” he said.

“On the other side of the equation we have open skies with Singapore, Thailand and certain points in Japan.”

Clark said that the plan for Pacific flights doesn’t change the aspirations of its business model, though these “have morphed into being a truly global airline.”

Not worried, we have got the best plane ever built, we will fight them off with our guppies! Jumbos are over rated!:D

dvhighdrive88 06-05-2013 11:21 AM

Do not make the SWA empire and RJ domination mistake with Emirates. While a potent competitor, excellent airline and worthy of combating aggressively Emirates its not how US airlines are headed. What's with the perception biggest must be the best or more importantly the most profitable?

I'll take a smaller fuel efficient twin fleet, be its MAXs, NE0s, A350s, 787s (er....uncertainty granted there) and the 777X. Give me that efficiency and flexibility any day. My money stays right here on the table on number 3, meaning the US big 3 majors. AA will be rapidly and strikingly competitive coming out of the gates.

Maxepr1 06-05-2013 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by LeeMat (Post 1422506)
Not worried, we have got the best plane ever built, we will fight them off with our guppies! Jumbos are over rated!:D

Yeah those 74s rate right up there with all of Emirates equipment.....What's the age difference between the two fleets Lee?

AxlF16 06-05-2013 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by Maxepr1 (Post 1422667)
Yeah those 74s rate right up there with all of Emirates equipment.....What's the age difference between the two fleets Lee?

I'm sure the 'newness' of your fleet will help them float in the pacific....

Didn't anyone ever tell you that airplanes age from the moment they are born:rolleyes:

Do you honestly believe that fuel and operational efficiencies are going to play a significant role in the Gulf carriers expansion/competitive strategies????? This is not about fair competition or normal market forces.

cadetdrivr 06-05-2013 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by Maxepr1 (Post 1422667)
Yeah those 74s rate right up there with all of Emirates equipment.....

Funny story.....

Out of curiosity I was looking at the delivery dates of the remaining 747s at sUAL and then I checked out the delivery dates for the primary sCAL transatlantic fleet (i.e. the "international" 757-200s with big motors) for comparison.

Good thing I was sitting down. Now I'm just worried about the international signle-aisle operation and all the old aircraft. How can we even compete????

Ghost 7X7 06-05-2013 12:38 PM

Where do they find the capacity to fill up all this metal? Plus, someone has got to start drawing up a line, this story reads like a Star Trek film featuring The Borg. Just take a look at those plummeting Qantas numbers a few months after their agreement with Emirates. Where did their 'cozying up' to Emirates got them? Nowhere

mrmak2 06-05-2013 12:39 PM

What is the projected retirement schedule for the 74s?

cadetdrivr 06-05-2013 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by Claybird (Post 1422710)
Where do they find the capacity to fill up all this metal?

That's the big question. As we know, in the US a good share of the international traffic does not originate in the hubs but is instead fed by the spokes.

At JFK we are witnessing JetBlue transforming itself into the narrowbody version of Skywest and feeding multiple international "partners."

Who will fill that role for Emirates elsewhere?

cadetdrivr 06-05-2013 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by mrmak2 (Post 1422713)
What is the projected retirement schedule for the 74s?

There isn't one published. sUAL is currently doing a major fleet mechanical upgrade (several mil per aircraft) to keep them flying another several years. The cabins, particularly F and C, have already been completely refurbished twice since new--first with lay flats in F, and later with upgraded flats in F and flats in C.

The A350-900, a smaller aircraft, is the supposed replacement but those don't start arriving until later in the decade and even then the delivery positions are spread over several years. If UA converts the order to the A350-1000, a more similarly sized replacement, add a year or two to first delivery.


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