Don't worry, I don't believe in or talk to a pretend friend in the sky.

The voices sound different when you have a higher level of conscientiousness and approach them with love and oneness:D

Awesome stuff :)

FWIW, I've never had a UFO experience... I consider this a safe place to talk;)

The flying belonged to lUAL and lCAL at the snapshot date tbd by the arbitrators. With DAL/NWA that date was the senority protocol agreement date, which would be May 17, 2010 in our case. However, the lUAL proposal calls for Oct 1, 2010, the merger close date. That is where my money is. Care to wager? There have been a lot of upgrades since that date on the CAL side, in fact about 500 CAL to 150 UAL upgrades since merger announcement according to testimony. The CAL side needs to remember that when the final list comes down. Might be a HUGE surprise if the list is merged based on 2010 :eek: Get ready.

Sled

PS. btw Max, I'll bet you I move up 1000+ numbers from your side's moonshot of a proposal, but only move down 100's from my side's proposal. If true, that would prove which side's was more reasonable, at least for the bottom 1/3...no?

Sled, I really do not care where you wind up. Don't you get that? Man your ego is eating you alive. Your just a plain old line pilot like the 12,000 rest of us. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Get over it....I wind up where I wind up, no harm no foul on the arbitrators decision. Keep patting yourself on the back, that humble pie may stick in your throat.... Lets just wait for the SLI and 10 bucks says the fireworks aren't over after that.

I don't care where I wind up. Just as long as I get to party with Larry I'll be happy!

I wouldn't take THAT bet. I fully expect some fireworks from your side. Anything to delay, delay, delay.

Sled

That is your opinion I'm ok with that. My position is you guys will file something first. No bones about it. History shows that . What it will be is anyones guess. Isn't there something in the works already by the furloughed guys?

OMG ... more what's mine is mine, and what's yours is mine ... Tell me, who had airplanes on order? Who had pilots without a recall letter on MAD (and oh, BTW, they didn't get one until this spring) ... Who had a contract that protected their flying, and who didn't? The arbs will make the only judgement that really counts on the values of these equities , so believe what you will, but this is what each side brought to the table that wasn't "equalized" by an equity that the other side possessed. Go ahead and believe that ALPA merger policy was changed to provide full longevity credit and that a 30% bidding power transfer passes the fair and equitable threshold (o.k. because windfall isn't in the policy) ... I refuse to buy the argument that ALPA changed merger policy so that the UAL folks could take back their "rightful" seniority with a re-distribution of a CAL pilot's earned equity. Have a great holiday weekend.

Wow, calm down! You're freaking out over there! It's very simple. Precedent for arbitration is to consider the merger date for SLI integration. That's 2010 despite what you or your lawyer says. That being the case, pilots will be placed on the seniority list based on what you could hold at that time, NOT now. In the past 3 years, LUAL has lost flying in order to keep the capacity flat for UCH. What that means is that when the list comes down, there will be a lot of LCAL pilots in seats that their 2010 seniority couldn't hold. Period. They will NOT be bumped out of those seats, and will continue to hold those seats out of what their new seniority can hold. That's life, and I don't begrudge those pilots for taking advantage of the situation they have found themselves in for the past 3 years. But for those pilots to think they are getting screwed when put in their RIGHTFUL place on the 2010 list?? Cry me a river.

Factors such as aircraft orders etc become irrelevant after a merger date because management makes decisions based on the COMBINED carrier. For example, the 757's we are parking right now are due to having UCH 737's coming on board to replace them. In a standalone operation, LUAL wouldn't have had those airplanes, so they wouldn't have parked the 757 fleet until they ordered their own narrowbodies. Capacity at both airlines most likely would have been essentially flat, based on the the rest of the industry.

Who knows, maybe the arbitrators will go totally rogue and for some reason consider 2013 to be the appropriate date, decide to staple all UAL pilots at the bottom, and I'll be back with my 19 years to raising gear for a new hire. We will see.