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07-19-2013 | 06:56 AM
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The last hurrah is coming for the J's. There has not been a lot of talk related to the consolidation at the MEC level. CLE and SEA will most likely go away as they close these bases. JFK will merge with EWR. The counciles at EWR, IAH, GUM, IAD, ORD, DEN, DENTK, LAX and SFO will continue and absorb pilots as the flying is moved around. Question would be: Where does the MEC chairman come from?
These are rumors but worth looking into.
* Heppner is likely to offer the recent TPA abitration award to all(CAL and UAL) pilots in the form of contract improvements easing the path for consideration as the combined MEC Chariman and later as a candidate to replace Moak. From Negotiator to Politician.
* Pierce was actually looking forward to an ALPA National position but given his history very unlikely. Rumor that he is down at Copa working on a CLR/CRM program is almost laughable. However, it could lead to a Jeff created position as payback. The CAL MEC and later combined MEC should make sure ALPA dues money is not being used for this. If ALPA National is sponsoring the program then all ALPA airlines should share in the cost not just combined UAL pilots.
These are rumors but worth looking into.
* Heppner is likely to offer the recent TPA abitration award to all(CAL and UAL) pilots in the form of contract improvements easing the path for consideration as the combined MEC Chariman and later as a candidate to replace Moak. From Negotiator to Politician.
* Pierce was actually looking forward to an ALPA National position but given his history very unlikely. Rumor that he is down at Copa working on a CLR/CRM program is almost laughable. However, it could lead to a Jeff created position as payback. The CAL MEC and later combined MEC should make sure ALPA dues money is not being used for this. If ALPA National is sponsoring the program then all ALPA airlines should share in the cost not just combined UAL pilots.
07-19-2013 | 07:27 AM
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The UAL scope is an improvement over your old one. I know you're locked into the "jet" size, but when management can fly an unlimited amount of them, it doesn't matter what size or type of airplane they are.
07-19-2013 | 06:36 PM
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Forced? Oh you mean by the marketplace right? By that major competitor in ATL that is kicking our behind? Do you really think going forward you would have competed with your old scope clause indefinitely? Well, maybe you would have --- with a massive fleet of Q400s. Hey, the two man cockpit was "forced" on us too. In your world Larry you would be doing just fine still running 727s and DC10s.
07-19-2013 | 07:01 PM
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Which explains why there are 153 70 seat jets vs 36 Q400's (edit: only 16 in service from 2/25/13 10k) in our current outsourced fleet, how?
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07-19-2013 | 07:11 PM
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Ask him about not only the number of jobs that the 150-ish RJ-70 seater's bring, but the Seat Miles involved in the equation you draw ^^above^^.....STAGGERING.
My bet's that the gavel taps out well before "LAX" can justify further.....Being that he wants to broach that dead horse now.
07-19-2013 | 07:24 PM
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You be correct Lex.
Ask him about not only the number of jobs that the 150-ish RJ-70 seater's bring, but the Seat Miles involved in the equation you draw ^^above^^.....STAGGERING.
My bet's that the gavel taps out well before "LAX" can justify further.....Being that he wants to broach that dead horse now.
Ask him about not only the number of jobs that the 150-ish RJ-70 seater's bring, but the Seat Miles involved in the equation you draw ^^above^^.....STAGGERING.
My bet's that the gavel taps out well before "LAX" can justify further.....Being that he wants to broach that dead horse now.
07-19-2013 | 07:29 PM
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Oh no no no. The dead horse was brought back to life by ol' Larry. LAX was just responding. We voted on our contract. It passed, simple as that. And sadly, we could have done better if we stuck together.... But it became clear early and often that the delay tactic was going to be deployed in an SLI grab. The testimony bore that out nicely. Pure and simple, we have the contract we have (including scope) because the CAL MEC was becoming as large a threat to the majority of UCH pilots as management. It was not lost on us at LUAL that waiting much longer with us shrinking and LCAL growing would make it impossible to ward off that threat
That's where your missing the point. The UPA we have, is what we have......If you took time to read, we were talking about the respective CBA's brought to the table prior to the UPA.....There's the rub with the point/number broached earlier by Lex.
Re-read the number's that Lex brought to the table.....
07-19-2013 | 09:19 PM
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Bump....
That's where your missing the point. The UPA we have, is what we have......If you took time to read, we were talking about the respective CBA's brought to the table prior to the UPA.....There's the rub with the point/number broached earlier by Lex.
Re-read the number's that Lex brought to the table.....
That's where your missing the point. The UPA we have, is what we have......If you took time to read, we were talking about the respective CBA's brought to the table prior to the UPA.....There's the rub with the point/number broached earlier by Lex.
Re-read the number's that Lex brought to the table.....
My point is that nothing was forced on the LCAL pilots. We voted to accept the scope as we have it. The reasons why are unfortunate
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