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Old 08-18-2013 | 09:26 AM
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If you think this is bad now, just wait until you retire.
This current system is absolute crap.
The retirees have their seniority ripped from them and most think that's OK.
What a stab in the back.
Then they twist the knife everyday.
Each day a retiree goes into the list you see them stealing a day of your seniority.
And somehow this is rationalized by most.
What a bunch of self serving crap.
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Old 08-18-2013 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by g-code
I don't know why it did that. I have seen myself go from 0X to 5X when they do the seat assignments. The whole system is a mess anyway. If we want C or F class, we have to pay upfront with a credit cars. If you don't get it, it takes weeks to get a refund and half the time even that is wrong. That's in addition to the opt in fees and rumored segment fees for ALL flights.
If there is one thing that United is good at, it's totally dorkiness stuff up
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Old 08-18-2013 | 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by g-code
I don't know why it did that. I have seen myself go from 0X to 5X when they do the seat assignments. The whole system is a mess anyway. If we want C or F class, we have to pay upfront with a credit cars. If you don't get it, it takes weeks to get a refund and half the time even that is wrong. That's in addition to the opt in fees and rumored segment fees for ALL flights.
XJT travel admin made it very clear this problem was happening and to check your bookings, they even said something to the effect of "United says they fixed it, but it obviously isn't fixed." I have never seen the system properly list an express connection onto mainline (Post CAL/UAL integration). At XJT, we received a memo about 8 months or so ago instructing us to book each leg separately to avoid confusion at the gate. Just booked an itinerary today and it carried my SA0X onto a mainline flight. It will show you as SA5X in the confirmation before you submit, but then when you check it later it reverts back to SA0X (Or whatever your priority for the first leg was).

To reiterate, even after the itinerary is confirmed, it shows the proper pass class in the heading of each leg, only to have it revert back to SA0X on the actual non-rev list when you open it. It goes the same way from mainline onto express...it will load the express rider as SA5 on an express flt if their first leg was mainline.

This didn't happen under the old CAL employeeres either. Those of us who commute are doing our very best to make sure we're listed properly. Hopefully you guys are showing some understanding to the parents/infrequent pass-riders who don't know about this glitch. This is UAL's mess and they've known about it for over a year.

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Old 08-24-2013 | 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by gettinbumped
Sorry if I was not clear. It doesn't need to be changed from RJ to mainline. It's all about the listing. If an Express employee lists a round trip, and the outbound is an RJ, but the return is (and was always scheduled to be), there is a glitch which keeps the SA0X code on the entire reservation. Thus, the SA0X priority gets the Express employee ahead of all United employees even on the mainline metal, unless they use the vacation pass. The flight does NOT need to be a swap from Express to mainline. Many many city pairs have both express and mainline service, so it occurs frequently that you could be listed one way on express and one way on mainline the next
No it really doesn't. It properly lists SA0X on my own metal, then bumps me below you, your wife, son, daughter, cleaning lady, indentured servant, and high class friends who feel so important that they are flying united for free, and lists me properly as a SA5X on the luxury 737, so I just end up taking another airline on the jumpseat because its the only way to get anywhere anymore.
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Old 08-24-2013 | 08:16 AM
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No it really doesn't. It properly lists SA0X on my own metal, then bumps me below you, your wife, son, daughter, cleaning lady, indentured servant, and high class friends who feel so important that they are flying united for free, and lists me properly as a SA5X on the luxury 737, so I just end up taking another airline on the jumpseat because its the only way to get anywhere anymore.
You know, it's funny. Several years back there was a problem with a Jumpseat system changeover where for some reasons United pilots were being listed ahead of express on the express Jumpseat. Most of us did the "right thing" and made sure that we didn't take the Jumpseat over an express guy (despite the fact that our employer is actually paying for the seat). However, there were times where a pilot would end up ahead of Express on an Express Jumpseat. When that happened, Skywest pilots took it upon themselves to threaten to ban UAL pilots from the Jumpseat until United management fixed the computer glitch. This went on for a couple of months, and every time I went to work, I had to endure a lecture from some guy who was flying a route I used to fly in a "luxury 737" about the issue.... if I could even get on the airplane because if there was an alternate, the POS 50 seaters can't take off with full passengers and bags.

Flash forward to today, and we are a year and a half into Express employees going ahead of me, my wife, my cleaning lady, and my high class friends. Do you see me threatening to deny you a ride to work, or worse to get home to your family in order to fix something that United management broke? I think not. Instead I've got to endure some snarky post from a snot nose who has a chip on his shoulder. If you've figured out a way to make it actually work, good for you. But my wife happens to work for express, so I tried it again this week. Sure enough, my Express me goes ahead of my United me on mainline metal if I do the first leg on an RJ. I watched it happen on the agents screen all the way through seat assignment. I have the pictures to prove it, and I've filed the reports with the Union and management (again.....). A fat lot of good it will do me.

By the way, I'm sure you are aware we are hiring. Don't apply. Wouldn't want you to get stuck in a "luxury 737".
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Old 08-25-2013 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by gettinbumped
You know, it's funny. Several years back there was a problem with a Jumpseat system changeover where for some reasons United pilots were being listed ahead of express on the express Jumpseat. Most of us did the "right thing" and made sure that we didn't take the Jumpseat over an express guy (despite the fact that our employer is actually paying for the seat). However, there were times where a pilot would end up ahead of Express on an Express Jumpseat. When that happened, Skywest pilots took it upon themselves to threaten to ban UAL pilots from the Jumpseat until United management fixed the computer glitch. This went on for a couple of months, and every time I went to work, I had to endure a lecture from some guy who was flying a route I used to fly in a "luxury 737" about the issue.... if I could even get on the airplane because if there was an alternate, the POS 50 seaters can't take off with full passengers and bags.

Flash forward to today, and we are a year and a half into Express employees going ahead of me, my wife, my cleaning lady, and my high class friends. Do you see me threatening to deny you a ride to work, or worse to get home to your family in order to fix something that United management broke? I think not. Instead I've got to endure some snarky post from a snot nose who has a chip on his shoulder. If you've figured out a way to make it actually work, good for you. But my wife happens to work for express, so I tried it again this week. Sure enough, my Express me goes ahead of my United me on mainline metal if I do the first leg on an RJ. I watched it happen on the agents screen all the way through seat assignment. I have the pictures to prove it, and I've filed the reports with the Union and management (again.....). A fat lot of good it will do me.

By the way, I'm sure you are aware we are hiring. Don't apply. Wouldn't want you to get stuck in a "luxury 737".
First, "snot nosed with a chip on my shoulder"? I hope you can do better, and if you can feel free to PM me. Just pointing out the facts which you do not want to hear because you are on a crusade to change the world. BTW I could care less what I fly, I only care about the paycheck and my days off, if a C152 got me 15 days off and 150K id do it.

Unfortunately I fought many times for a jumseat that was rightfully mine from a UA pilot, over and over and over again, and to this day I am still not listed properly on the jumpseat. I am saying that many guys took it in the shorts when the pass travel was "revamped". Personally I think its BS that an active pilot, UA or UAX, should be put behind so many people, but I just dont care anymore. As for how you're wife is listed perhaps it is the carrier she flies for? It seems my company has made it a priority to get our end fixed, I am never listed out of priority, and would not be comfortable snaking on a plane or pulling the old UA pilot running down the jetbridge screaming "im mainline my jumpseat" like some of you're "coworkers". Ill take what I am supposed to get and to hell with the rest.
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Old 08-25-2013 | 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by mking84
First, "snot nosed with a chip on my shoulder"? I hope you can do better, and if you can feel free to PM me. Just pointing out the facts which you do not want to hear because you are on a crusade to change the world. BTW I could care less what I fly, I only care about the paycheck and my days off, if a C152 got me 15 days off and 150K id do it.

Unfortunately I fought many times for a jumseat that was rightfully mine from a UA pilot, over and over and over again, and to this day I am still not listed properly on the jumpseat. I am saying that many guys took it in the shorts when the pass travel was "revamped". Personally I think its BS that an active pilot, UA or UAX, should be put behind so many people, but I just dont care anymore. As for how you're wife is listed perhaps it is the carrier she flies for? It seems my company has made it a priority to get our end fixed, I am never listed out of priority, and would not be comfortable snaking on a plane or pulling the old UA pilot running down the jetbridge screaming "im mainline my jumpseat" like some of you're "coworkers". Ill take what I am supposed to get and to hell with the rest.
No, my young friend, I will not PM you because after I'm done typing this, I'm done wasting my time with you. I posted a factual warning to our United pilots on here to watch that they are getting their rightful seats on our planes. YOU responded like a juvenile snot, which is why I called you such. If you disagree, go back and read the derogatory things you wrote about wives, cleaning ladies, etc. Your carrier has absolutely zero control over how this works. It's a United res system, and the problem and solution lies with them. So your company did not "make it a priority to fix" anything. The simple fact it, it's broken, it was supposed to be fixed a year and a half ago, and it's still not working. You're darned tooting that I'm on a crusade to fix it, as I am to defend ALL my contractual rights. The difference is, MY crusade doesn't involve attempting to punish the United Express employees unlike the childish, moronic, and totally misdirected United Express Jumpseat threat I ensured a couple of years ago.

I'm aware of the crap that United is pulling to generate more revenue on the backs of UAX employees. Unfortunately that's what happens when you fly for somebody else's paint job. If it makes you feel better, we deal with the same type of crap on a daily basis with our management trying to ignore the contract they signed.


I'm not going to respond to you again. I don't care what you think in even the furthest reaches of my brain. I treat express pilots with respect, professionalism, and courtesy.... until their sense of entitlement overwhelms their sense of better judgment and they write something like you did
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