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jsled 09-05-2013 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by Lerxst (Post 1477997)
We have received nada from our esteemed CAL ALPA leadership. Did get a nice update from my LAX reps basically asking us to not go all Michael Douglas in "Falling Down", but nuthin else.

CA Jim Brucia - "We Got This"

Now THAT'S funny right there.

gofastmopar 09-05-2013 05:36 PM


Originally Posted by LAX Pilot (Post 1477755)
You forgot to mention that it was "skewed" because he decided to count pilots who were integrated below him in his pre-merger list without question, but once the pilots got integrated who would be senior to him, he decided he no likey that so much.

And you are right. This list is a 2010 list, and comparing the September 2013 LCAL list (which stopped being relevant in Oct 2010) to the Arbitrated October 2010 list, is not a fair comparison.

Ah but it gives them something to whine about.

Have to agree with you. The movement on the LCAL side since 2010 will be balanced by the vacancy bidding coming soon that is available to all of us.
The question I have is how long it'll take for the company to take delivery of it's 26th 787 and thus remove the fences.
But then as a FLA resident I have no interest in a seat based west of ORD/IAH.
I lost 1.8% and figure over a 12000+ pilot population it's close to a wash.

LAX Pilot 09-05-2013 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by gofastmopar (Post 1478146)
Have to agree with you. The movement on the LCAL side since 2010 will be balanced by the vacancy bidding coming soon that is available to all of us.
The question I have is how long it'll take for the company to take delivery of it's 26th 787 and thus remove the fences.
But then as a FLA resident I have no interest in a seat based west of ORD/IAH.
I lost 1.8% and figure over a 12000+ pilot population it's close to a wash.

Its 25th 787......

Sunvox 09-05-2013 06:50 PM


Originally Posted by gofastmopar (Post 1478146)
Have to agree with you. The movement on the LCAL side since 2010 will be balanced by the vacancy bidding coming soon that is available to all of us.
The question I have is how long it'll take for the company to take delivery of it's 26th 787 and thus remove the fences.
But then as a FLA resident I have no interest in a seat based west of ORD/IAH.
I lost 1.8% and figure over a 12000+ pilot population it's close to a wash.

I'm in SFO and guess who I met at the bus stop? JH.

He says the fleet plan today calls for the arrival of the 25th 787 in 2 years and 4 months.

Probe 09-05-2013 07:07 PM

Did that come from the thrice daily, long term planning committee?

UalHvy 09-05-2013 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by LAX Pilot (Post 1478163)
Its 25th 787......

The answer is: December 2015.

LAX Pilot 09-05-2013 07:13 PM


Originally Posted by UalHvy (Post 1478255)
The answer is: December 2015.

Perfect. I wasn't going to bid it anyway until I could hold a line, and being about 50% overall on the list once the bottom fills out I'll probably bid into it then.

UalHvy 09-05-2013 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by Sunvox (Post 1478236)
I'm in SFO and guess who I met at the bus stop? JH.

He says the fleet plan today calls for the arrival of the 25th 787 in 2 years and 4 months.

Unless you're a 570 he screwed you with that fence (especially if you're on the west coast). The -400 is staffed properly....maybe even a little fat now that 6 a/c are going back to Chicago and the 777 will be flying SFO-SYD (although THAT may not last long). 25 new 787s mean a lot of movement for the old CAL guys at the highest pay banding.

So...for the next 2 years and 4 months (December 2015, if it stays on schedule) you will see plenty of bids on the 787 for the CAL guys and very little on the -400 for the UAL guys.

LAX Pilot 09-05-2013 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by UalHvy (Post 1478263)
Unless you're a 570 he screwed you with that fence (especially if you're on the west coast). The -400 is staffed properly....maybe even a little fat now that 6 a/c are going back to Chicago and the 777 will be flying SFO-SYD (although THAT may not last long). 25 new 787s mean a lot of movement for the old CAL guys at the highest pay banding.

So...for the next 2 years and 4 months (December 2015, if it stays on schedule) you will see plenty of bids on the 787 for the CAL guys and very little on the -400 for the UAL guys.

No worries. Fencing off 40% of the pilot group means it will go junior. We are getting 65 of the "game changer" so once the fences drop, those of us with more seniority will be able to jump in and be good lineholders.

Lots of opportunity to be a guppy Captain between now and then.


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