Can't see many CAL guys coming into the Airbus fleet when the guppies are much more of a junior fleet. A couple guys will take the opportunity to move into the guppy from the Airbus, especially in DEN, LAX, SFO, and ORD.

I can see a lot of folks trying to get into A 320 CAP in LAX, SFO and maybe ORD if the flying is good. The 737 flying in the DEN and LAX base is poor at best. Most of our really senior guys commute from the west coast and DEN.

It will require openings however in order to move.

It wasn't false growth, nor was it s/l-UAL growth ... It was growth enabled only by s/l-CAL, and never would have happened at L-UAL when it did, never. The arbs gave you part of that equity in the award ... I can live with that. So many UAL guys don't realize it, but this award in soooo many ways, ignores the precedent of past, and sets new ground for the future ... Without the policy change, this award never ever would have looked this way ... go review history ... Rarely have furloughed pilots been placed above active pilots ... Extremely rare in the history of arbitrations ... And the hybrid methodology has never been used ... This will haunt all of us again sometime in the future.

Time to let it all go as fighting will not change a thing. I realize both sides are doing their best to perpetuate the battle (ie. the UA MEC dispute over the 787 fence and the threatened s-CAL pilot lawsuit) but in the end, the list will stand. The sooner everyone vents and gets this out of their system the better we will be moving forward.

The real enemy is the crappy airline we have become and the true battle is to run the best operation on the planet and to get ready for the next contract.

I'm an 11/2007 with LUal and been at LCal for about a year. Anybody know how vacation will be credited to me and will my pay rate go up or stay the same until I have enough "sweat equity" to equal my current pay rate and then go up from there?

The process was fine. The arbitrator's report lays out the LCAL strategic missteps pretty well. The disservice would be from KATZ & RANZMAN, PLLC. "The CAL proposal .... it omits category ... and ... It also excludes longevity ..." (p 12). Well, that's two-thirds of ALPA merger policy. Unbelievable.

Jimmy,

Here is what I think you will see:

1. 21 days vacation and UAL sick bank restored
2. 6th year pay around $117 till Jan 1st 2014
3. 6th year pay around $128 till late Feb 2014 (new longevity date)
4. 7th year pay around $131 in March 2014

Nobody has clear answers but this is my understanding of it

My methodology was to use active pilots in 2010... no furloughs counted on either side. For my present position I used the same pilots I used in 2010 minus retirements. 2010: 54% on CAL list. Today: 61% on combined list (not including the pilots without positions in May of 2010). 2010 projected retirement 8%. Today's projected retirement 12%. Merged in with pilots hired at UAL a year and a half before I went to work at CAL. I suppose they're as ticked off about that as I am about my loss of seniority and retirement percentage. Doesn't two ticked off sides define a "fair" integration?

Very true, Todd! While I'm not happy with the SLI outcome, I don't blame UALALPA or the arbitration board. We (CALALPA) have only ourselves (and Katz' law firm) to blame. Time to move on.

Agree with you but let's all, take the sunglasses off... this unity/become one....is a smoke screen. Both sides have used and continue to use this smokescreen.. If unity is so important to our being a strong group, then why is The UA MEC disputing the 787 fence ( this is not individuals) but our soon to be governing body within ALPA. Why is the UA MEC Petitioning the company to make DOH instead of seniority for the jumpseat...to advantage mostly L-UA pilots at the expense of pilot more senior as determined by the awarded arbitration list. I believe both CAL and UAL used seniority to determine jumpseat. Why the change now...If union leaders, can't do what's right for this new group, after the deep scars of the JCBA and ISL battle and now a binding arbitration decision, then there' s no way we will unify and move on...

I agree. I can handle the new list "it is what it is" but now the UAL mec is just going for broke. They want it all. If they had it their way cal would just be stapled at the bottom. And they won't stop till they get as close to that as they can. F'em I'm done with that group. Unity... Not going to find it here.