CAL Junior Captains vs UAL
09-12-2013 | 08:17 PM
#31
Don't say Guppy
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l-UAL had unfilled 777 and 400 bids 15 years ago as well. ALPA decided to talk the company into not letting new-hires go to those aircraft. I can't remember why they did this.
I think a new hire being a bunky for 300 hours a year is a bad way to learn to be an airline pilot. Maybe that was ALPA's reasoning.
The 777's are not fenced on either side. Their are some pretty jr folks sitting on great lines in IAH and EWR. Their are a bunch of much more sr 756 FO's that are going to get bumped. I would bet a significant number bump to 777 FO.
I think a new hire being a bunky for 300 hours a year is a bad way to learn to be an airline pilot. Maybe that was ALPA's reasoning.
The 777's are not fenced on either side. Their are some pretty jr folks sitting on great lines in IAH and EWR. Their are a bunch of much more sr 756 FO's that are going to get bumped. I would bet a significant number bump to 777 FO.
09-13-2013 | 01:35 AM
#32
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No problem, no respect taken. The fact that there were such junior bids is because being on reserve over there was so bad the only thing worse would have been if you had to smoke pole before each leg. Now that reserve won't be as bad you will see it go more senior especially with less commuting to undesirable bases.
09-13-2013 | 07:16 AM
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l-UAL had unfilled 777 and 400 bids 15 years ago as well. ALPA decided to talk the company into not letting new-hires go to those aircraft. I can't remember why they did this.
I think a new hire being a bunky for 300 hours a year is a bad way to learn to be an airline pilot. Maybe that was ALPA's reasoning.
The 777's are not fenced on either side. Their are some pretty jr folks sitting on great lines in IAH and EWR. Their are a bunch of much more sr 756 FO's that are going to get bumped. I would bet a significant number bump to 777 FO.
I think a new hire being a bunky for 300 hours a year is a bad way to learn to be an airline pilot. Maybe that was ALPA's reasoning.
The 777's are not fenced on either side. Their are some pretty jr folks sitting on great lines in IAH and EWR. Their are a bunch of much more sr 756 FO's that are going to get bumped. I would bet a significant number bump to 777 FO.
09-13-2013 | 08:13 AM
#35
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This was a result of bidding freezes. A pilot would get hired as a 727 SO then upgrade to FO within the first year. They would have a 4 year freeze, 2 years for the SO training and 2 years for the FO training.
The reason 747 and 777 went unfilled was because of freezes mostly and not people didn't want to bid them.
The reason 747 and 777 went unfilled was because of freezes mostly and not people didn't want to bid them.
09-13-2013 | 10:03 AM
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From: B767/757 Capt
This was a result of bidding freezes. A pilot would get hired as a 727 SO then upgrade to FO within the first year. They would have a 4 year freeze, 2 years for the SO training and 2 years for the FO training.
The reason 747 and 777 went unfilled was because of freezes mostly and not people didn't want to bid them.
The reason 747 and 777 went unfilled was because of freezes mostly and not people didn't want to bid them.
Flew everything UAL had with the exception in the 777.
09-13-2013 | 11:34 AM
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I had a chance to bid the 747-400 right out of S/O school.....I ended up going to the 727 F/O seat and took the 4 year freeze. 9/11 caused the freeze to go away and I bumped starting in the 747-400 to the 767, to the A320, and finally the 737 or "guppy".
Flew everything UAL had with the exception in the 777.
Flew everything UAL had with the exception in the 777.
09-13-2013 | 01:17 PM
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Yeah. Who wants a stupid unproductive 30 hour 4 day trip that just happens to be perfectly commutable on both ends? I'm sure UAL guys will shun that trip as you would in the future. Did you ever get a chance to enjoy Ghana on The U's time good sir?
09-13-2013 | 03:36 PM
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Apparently the arbitrators didn't agree.
Now all of a sudden those WB trips aren't so bad.
Imagine that.....
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