CAL Junior Captains vs UAL
09-11-2013 | 11:18 PM
#21
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Even as much of a mess as this SLI became, there is two things that must not change:
The Captain (regardless of seniority, DOH, DOB, Hair color, etc) must buy the first round, At least!!!!
Probationary pilots don't pay for ****!
On my first trip (a 3 day) I drank and ate so much I could hardly function. When I got home, I had spent $4. $1 tip each way to the van driver at the 2 hotels.
Pay it forward (or downward, or whatever direction that would be)
The Captain (regardless of seniority, DOH, DOB, Hair color, etc) must buy the first round, At least!!!!
Probationary pilots don't pay for ****!
On my first trip (a 3 day) I drank and ate so much I could hardly function. When I got home, I had spent $4. $1 tip each way to the van driver at the 2 hotels.
Pay it forward (or downward, or whatever direction that would be)
09-12-2013 | 03:15 AM
#22
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From: Guppy driver
When there is a lot of movement, lots of jr folks are able to bid above their "stovepipe" as many choose QOL over the left seat. When a big furlough happens with huge bumps, staffing goes down much closer to "stovepipe". i.e., no 75% guys holding left seats.
What is going to happen soon, I have not seen before. We have many hundreds of 756 pilots in the middle of the seniority list that will bump to various places. Plus 300-400 retirements per year.
I am only certain of two things - manpower planning will screw it up, and some jr guys on the CAL side are going to get bumped and not like it.
What is going to happen soon, I have not seen before. We have many hundreds of 756 pilots in the middle of the seniority list that will bump to various places. Plus 300-400 retirements per year.
I am only certain of two things - manpower planning will screw it up, and some jr guys on the CAL side are going to get bumped and not like it.
09-12-2013 | 05:47 AM
#24
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From: 787 Capt.
Enjoy your instant access to 52 unfenced 777s. Sure would have been cool if you guys brought 2.36 times the 777s we had to the table. You would have had to bring 123 777s, not 22. That's ok though. I'll still buy the first round.
09-12-2013 | 05:50 AM
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Is that 7565 number active pilots only? I recall checking junior nb captains before the isl and they were within a percent or two of each other, very similar. Or maybe the 50% number reflects their seniority after isl, whereas they were about 60% before the list came out. I just want to know what percentage we are actually looking at here.
The 6572 number is the junior pilot actually on the bid list on the current United Bid roster.
So, the difference between the two numbers is the number of pilots still on furlough plus the number of UA pilots flying on the CAL side .
09-12-2013 | 06:12 AM
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A320
"Here is a question. Are pilots with existing bid freezes still frozen? Is the company removing all current freezes so that anyone can now bid anything now that we are one big "happy family"? "
I'll bet you know the answer to that question on your own.
Now my opinion, and it's not worth much, is no the freezes stand. Of course since there has been little to no movement on the ex-UAL side (no more s stuff it's over) almost all the ex-UAL pilots are free to bid. Since I don't know the previous contractual bid/position freeze language from the ex-CAL side I can't say what their ability to bid id. But, if J P has anything to do with oit he signed a side letter letting ex-CAL pilot get some super seniority for 2years should the SLI not go his way.
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"Here is a question. Are pilots with existing bid freezes still frozen? Is the company removing all current freezes so that anyone can now bid anything now that we are one big "happy family"? "
I'll bet you know the answer to that question on your own.
Now my opinion, and it's not worth much, is no the freezes stand. Of course since there has been little to no movement on the ex-UAL side (no more s stuff it's over) almost all the ex-UAL pilots are free to bid. Since I don't know the previous contractual bid/position freeze language from the ex-CAL side I can't say what their ability to bid id. But, if J P has anything to do with oit he signed a side letter letting ex-CAL pilot get some super seniority for 2years should the SLI not go his way.
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09-12-2013 | 08:10 AM
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It appears from this that the trend to upgrade as soon as possible is far greater at United than it was at CAL.
When looking at the Jr man in base list and in particular looking at the Jr. captains on that list. It seems to me that your above statement is somewhat incorrect. There are a PILE of captain (bids) that are WAY Jr. in every base according to the list.
09-12-2013 | 09:58 AM
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A320, with all due respect, lcal pilots had plenty of access to widebody positions premerger. In fact, i believe it was spring of '08, we actually had 4 NEWHIRES awarded the 777. The 787 has gone very junior as well. Personally i have been a lineholder on the 777 since '07. The guys/gals from Ual around my seniority all hold 767 fo at best... Will be interesting to see how it all shuffles out, i hope for as little pain as possible for me and ALL my fellow pilots. Steve
09-12-2013 | 12:52 PM
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From: 787 Capt.
A320, with all due respect, lcal pilots had plenty of access to widebody positions premerger. In fact, i believe it was spring of '08, we actually had 4 NEWHIRES awarded the 777. The 787 has gone very junior as well. Personally i have been a lineholder on the 777 since '07. The guys/gals from Ual around my seniority all hold 767 fo at best... Will be interesting to see how it all shuffles out, i hope for as little pain as possible for me and ALL my fellow pilots. Steve
09-12-2013 | 01:42 PM
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Umm, trying to understand your response. Yes reserve on the 737 was terrible, mostly because the company never kept up with the summer staffing...
My point was...a recent hire could previously bid 777, and be on reserve, rather than a lineholder on the 737. He had the choice of the two even with our low number of 777's. On the triple, reserves rarely flew more than a couple hundred hours a yr. Not trying to get in a ****in contest as thats been going on long enough and one reason i rarely post. Just pointing out that our two groups have bid differently in the past, and curious as to where everybody is heading.
My point was...a recent hire could previously bid 777, and be on reserve, rather than a lineholder on the 737. He had the choice of the two even with our low number of 777's. On the triple, reserves rarely flew more than a couple hundred hours a yr. Not trying to get in a ****in contest as thats been going on long enough and one reason i rarely post. Just pointing out that our two groups have bid differently in the past, and curious as to where everybody is heading.
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