Just thought of another question after looking over the UPA. . .

Do you guys already get paid based on specific aircraft or more specifically to my situation are the 767-400 trips paid at 767-400 rate? The Letter of Agreement seems to imply L-UAL is paid using blended rates until CMS but not so for L-CAL.

 

Paid for what you fly. Guarantee paid on blended rate

 

Sunvox,

We get paid for the airplane we fly. All soft time is paid at blended rate. We've been getting paid this way already because we're already on the system that the L-UAL pilots will migrate to later this year. Pay for the plane actually flown has been going on far longer than this contract and well prior to the merger announcement.

Just saying that we didn't get something implemented earlier than the L-UAL pilots. It's just something we've already had that you will transition to later. I don't think it's right personally, as they could do it manually each month for your group if they wanted to.

 

Sunvox

Am I reading this correctly you have here a three (ok 2.5) day trip worth 19:40 with a 10+ hour lay over? That trip stinks! All I see is dragging home tired and taking another day to recover.

Yuck!

I'm sure you posted that rip to scare people away and not bid your airplane in EWR. Good tactic

 

Believe it or not that trip goes very senior at L-CAL. In fact the snip I took was from the #2 EWR-756-FO, and he's #2 out of 427 EWR-756-FOs!


Looking over the line awards across the L-CAL system it is clear the two groups have some interesting differences. It seems that trips with quick turns, high time lines, and lines with trips grouped back to back are more desired at L-CAL whereas at L-UAL folks prefer longer layovers at the nice destinations and many of the senior line holders prefer minimum block hours.

In JFK for instance there was a time when only the top half of line holders on the 76T could get lines with less than 75 block hours. Most junior folks were forced into lines that were 85+ hours because senior lineholders bid for low time. That was the main reason I transfered to DCA back in 2009. For all of '07 and '08 I was unable to bid a line with less than 88 hours, but in DCA I was senior enough to bid 70 hour months no problem. Anyways, there are no "absolutes" about bidding patterns but in general there seems to be some big differences in bidding style and preferences.

 

I can back up you impression of the differences between the 2 groups. Yes, most would rather fly many hrs as they can in a short amount of time. I have a command in my PBS bid that says no trips award with a certain amount of time away from base (TAFB)! Talking to some of our FA's they say this is the biggest sticking point for them also. They want to work many hrs in few days and then go home. Whereas, they say UAL FA's would rather have long overnights and few block hrs in a day! Neither one is right or wrong just different! I also think you will be surprised now that our whole ISL is done the diff. you will see in A/C bidding. I still think you'll see how the CAL guys will stay on smaller A/C for lifestyle reasons. Not the big split that I have heard that was at UAL. Again, not right or wrong just different. Now I just have to figure out how to do the NEW bid!!!

 

That trip will go away under FAR 117....

 

I used to do that trip because it was so productive... Could be home in FL before noon... And be dragging #ss until next day.... Glad to see FAR 117 make it go away .

 

What Mopar do you have?

 

07 300 srt8...