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jsled 11-18-2013 10:43 AM

The BAT is good. THere are no "sides", there is just United Airlines. The 756 and 76T are not yet one, but they will be. Until then, we have the BAT. Seniority rules. Happy BAT bidding.

SLed

wolfmanpack 11-18-2013 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by syd111 (Post 1522560)
Well okay then thats settled

although I've come to understand that many of you guys on the forums believe that it is.....this was never up for debate.

wolfmanpack 11-18-2013 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1522627)
Whatever. Do what you please, just get in line buddy (behind me) :cool:


arrogant and pompous....also typical.

WS01 11-18-2013 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by HotPot (Post 1522337)
1)What does the bottom guy at IAH 757 fly? 2)Also, how much does he get used?
I imagine the flying on the 767 is better so easy choice to do the BAT training. Disclaimer; I am not on the property and do not know much at this point but will return next year.

I m not far from the bottom on the 756 in iah:
756 flying is shrinking fast.. 190+ lines in nov, 166 for dec.
we do a mix of west cost to Hawaii soon to go to the lax 756 domicile, a few UK trips from IAD soon to go to the iad 756 domicile. That will probably leave the iah 756 with some domestic hub to hub type flying and very occasionally some Hawaii or Europe trip via the east cost The plan for summer 2014 flying shows no intl flights for the 756 out of iah.
The 76t has been limited to a few 763 intl flights (lhr, lim, gru and eze) the december bid added to few domestic flights as well.

As far as how much reserves are used.. It depends..over the past 4 months my range was from low 80's hrs to nowhere near guarantee.
( 32 hrs so far for nov )

If you re looking for a good variety and intl flying, ewr is the place to go.

I wouldn t be surprised to see the bottom iah 76t fos come over to the 756 side because the bottom 76t fo would bid about 35% on the 756.

Flyguppy 11-18-2013 03:56 PM


Originally Posted by LeeMat (Post 1522616)
Rumor is that we are pulling out of Argentina 100%. IAH-EZE is the last route to be discontinued in the 1st qtr of next year.


Aw, jeeze. Thanks LEE!!!!

As if the thread wasn't depressing enough already! :(

BC

SOTeric 11-18-2013 05:46 PM


Originally Posted by wolfmanpack (Post 1522211)
Listen man, you're going to say what you're going to say, and we'll say what we're going to say, but if you even remotely think that this SLI thing was argued and won on solid arguments and merits you're off you're rocker. This was about ALPA from the get go and just be thankful you worked for the airline with the larger pilot group. Had you not ALPA would have screwed you over with the same vigor as the CAL side got screwed.

Having said that, those same guys hired on in 98 you are complaining about were able to hold 756 CA, what position were you holding the day before the SLI award?

This was the most egregious SLI "award" in the history of the airlines and you know it and I know it. As for the get over it comment....easy for the windfall side to say huh? I'll do what I believe is the right thing to do....not what you believe.

Your whining and crying about the SLI months later is egregious. Why not just double up on the lawsuit payments?

SpecialTracking 11-18-2013 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by LeeMat (Post 1522616)
Rumor is that we are pulling out of Argentina 100%. IAH-EZE is the last route to be discontinued in the 1st qtr of next year.

Still in the system for May. But hey, they can transfer those sales to a Deathstar carrier. I miss that place.

HotPot 11-19-2013 04:53 AM


Originally Posted by WS01 (Post 1522697)
I m not far from the bottom on the 756 in iah:
756 flying is shrinking fast.. 190+ lines in nov, 166 for dec.
we do a mix of west cost to Hawaii soon to go to the lax 756 domicile, a few UK trips from IAD soon to go to the iad 756 domicile. That will probably leave the iah 756 with some domestic hub to hub type flying and very occasionally some Hawaii or Europe trip via the east cost The plan for summer 2014 flying shows no intl flights for the 756 out of iah.
The 76t has been limited to a few 763 intl flights (lhr, lim, gru and eze) the december bid added to few domestic flights as well.

As far as how much reserves are used.. It depends..over the past 4 months my range was from low 80's hrs to nowhere near guarantee.
( 32 hrs so far for nov )

If you re looking for a good variety and intl flying, ewr is the place to go.

I wouldn t be surprised to see the bottom iah 76t fos come over to the 756 side because the bottom 76t fo would bid about 35% on the 756.

Thanks WS. I want to be in IAH, so EWR is out. Given my deal I will go to the 737. Same pay, growing fleet. The flying had to be great or major over staffed to do the 757. Seems to be neither.

krudawg 11-19-2013 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by wolfmanpack (Post 1522061)
I should have been more specific...when I said base I meant Base/Equip/Status. You are correct that you cannot move to another pilot domicile, only within the domicile you are currently staffed.

I'm surprised more UAL, super senior pilots are not more up in arms about this as it prevents true seniority based bidding.

Regarding the SLI, while I concede it's all relative, we all know this was a windfall for the UAL side and whether or not you want to admit that or not is up to you. Just know that I, and others like me, know you know it so don't insult my intelligence.

Exsqeeze me? Baking Powder? It was the decision of THREE Arb's - none of which had any axe to grind. They simply ignored the "find the bb under the cup" that Jay P was playing and decided solely on the facts and on fairness. We got guys who went below LESS Senior uCAL pilots. They ignored the 787 Fence ratio's(proposed by uUal and said for simplicity that it would be a straight 5 yr fence(uCAL proposal) or until the 25th 787 is delivered (Regardless of the fact that uCAL only had 18 on order) - A windfall to uCAL. Take off your rose-colored glasses and realized BOTH parties got screwed in one way or another, so lets shake hands and start being a team.

bottoms up 11-21-2013 06:52 AM

Snapshot showed lots of batty movement in the NE


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