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So glad we took the time to get that pay rate in our new contract. It's not like we didn't see that one coming.

 

"We" did.

Unfortunately there was a negotiating "partner" involved in the UPA that had a short-sighted strategy involving large aircraft (cough, "jumbos," cough), pay bands, and the SLI.

It would have been funny had the long-term potential pitfall not been so obvious. At least the 777X won't see the light of day prior to the opening of the next contract so we can hopefully deal with this.

 

I'm surprised Boeing doesn't build a 500 passenger 737 and then United would try to make us fly it for guppy payrates. We could call it the "Super Guppy".

 

Time to let it go. The UAL side had the majority vote and could easily have outvoted the CAL side.

 

We should have been the launch customer. Timing was right...oh well.

 

As Col. Potter would say in regard to revisionist history, "Horse patties!"

Both MECs voted separately to accept the TA and both were required to vote "yes" for it to go out for member ratification. Since the votes were separate, the UAL MEC had ZERO ability to "out vote" the CAL MEC. A "no" vote by either side would have sent the deal back to the table before the membership at large, where UAL outnumbered CAL, could even occur.

There are numerous items in the UPA where one side acquiesced to the other to get the deal done, and for better or worse the CAL MEC owns the jumbo pay banding fiasco. Just like the UAL MEC owns certain items.

Does "the most pay for the most pilots" or "we don't care what the bands are once the SLI is complete" or "we'll delay the SLI forever without these bands" ring a bell?

The CAL MEC is guilty of demanding the ridiculous bands, while the UAL MEC is guilty of accepting them as a compromise to get the deal done--with their questionable justification that an imperfect deal was better than no deal.

And here we are....living once again the consequences of short sighted actions....

 

Not true. The CAL NC held the entire contract hostage until they got what they wanted. That's why it took three years from merger date almost.

If we'd have voted it down, the CAL NC wouldn't have changed their position.

In the end it looks like all their games came back to haunt them.

 

You mean the infamous "Contracts come and go but SLI is forever"?

Yep. I hope they are thrilled with their placement on the new list.

 

How so?

 

I am, seemed very fair to me a LCAL pilot! So whats your point?