Talk about spin. Explain to me how going from 557 planes to 255 planes in the UAX fleet over a 6 year period is a loss even if the seats go from 50 to 76 which is not wholly accurate because the fleet already had 100+ 70 seaters.

Turns out the ALPA SMEs were not the idiots some claimed they were, and you my friend are definitely a Glass Half Empty kind of guy. Did you complain about getting an iPad too because they didn't teach you how to use it?


Oh and for the record I didn't buy into the spin. This spin I made all by myself. The UAX fleet is rapidly reducing and the 76 seaters are severely limited unless we order a NB. That is the definition of SCOPE CHOKE, and yes you're right the 50 seaters are going of their own evolutionary demise, but that was part of the ALPA position from the start. Go back and read the quote from the SME. That's exactly what he said to expect and exactly what everyone here was denying in 2012. Flying is returning to mainline and that is good news. Why can't you and the other APCers ever once be happy about something in life. I can't imagine a sadder group of Eeyores anywhere in the world.

 

I would be gum drops and lollipops if this round of contracts wouldn't have ONCE AGAIN conceded in airframe size at regionals. Have you hugged a scab lately? Btw please show me the actual proven growth in the mainline fleet count.

 

Uhmm actually I did. One of our low life scum sucking scabs as you like to refer to them just found out she has cancer so I gave her a hug.

You probably would rather I tell her to have a nice time in hell. I know we can be forgiven for most anything in life but crossing a picket line deserves a lifetime sentence of whatever . . . no better yet they deserve to die.

A life full of hate and lacking in empathy can't be good. Not that I'm saying you are ISIS but I bet every member of ISIS has enormous hate and look what that leads to.

 

Oh and conceding airframes . . . contracts are a chess game. So you would have gone to the mat for the issue of scope, great. You would have stood up to the company and said "NO 76 SEATERS I DRAW THE LINE HERE." and the company would have said "Alright that costs x dollars; how are you going to pay for that?" And YOU would have traded a tighter scope for . . .

No, no . . . I know they would have given in to the strike which we would have had x number of years after the negotiations were brought to a conclusion and we were released . . .

Give me a break. What was the alternative strategy? Given the tripartite nature of our negotiations lets give ALPA a little credit for not totally screwing the pooch. UAL got the SLI and a pay raise and CAL got work rule improvements appreciated by some and dismissed by others. It ain't perfect, but it wasn't a disaster and I'd love to see people actually post a comprehensive alternative that had some chance of succeeding in a reasonable amount of time.

 

Oy vey! I hope you don't preach like that going over the pond. Sounds worse then Walter's eulogy at Donny's ash spreading. Btw had a family friend that lost his daughter to leukemia during the strike. No scab ever offered him a hug or even to remove the knife from his back.

 

Wow dude. I feel for you unbelievably. You are just like Mr. Swindells. You are filled with so much vitriol it makes me shiver. I'm sorry and I promise this is my last reply to you ever. Not that you care.



P.S. I'm dying here . . . I actually made the iPad reference without knowing you started a whole thread to complain about the training. . . to precious . . . sorry . . . I hope you'll come up to me someday and tell me how much of an a . hole I am 'cuz I'd love to meet you in person. You must be a doozy.

 

Vaya Con Dios Mr Peck. Have fun on future layovers with the Jack B's of the base.

 

[QUOTE=Sunvox;1730036]Talk about spin. Explain to me how going from 557 planes to 255 planes in the UAX fleet over a 6 year period is a loss even if the seats go from 50 to 76 which is not wholly accurate because the fleet already had 100+ 70 seaters.

Just one correction to your fleet facts. The express fleet is not shrinking to 255 aircraft. Our scope currently restricts the 70/76 seat fleet to a total of 255 aircraft. UAL can have an unlimited number of 50 seaters as long as they stay under the 120% block hour restriction. At the end of 2014 the express fleet will still have 557 airplanes.
That is a net loss of 15 airframes for the year. The 50 seaters may be on the way out but the fleet is not being scoped down to 255 airframes.

 

I would like to bring in Exhibit A sir: (Keep in mind Skywest owns nearly all the UAX 50 seaters.)

plus Republic announced they are removing the 28 Q400s between Jan. 2015 and Sept. 2016.



Yes you are correct the Scope clause does not restrict 50 seaters, and I agree going from 572 planes at the end of 2013 to 557 at the end of 2014 may not seem like a lot but no one said this would happen overnight. It took a decade and a half to build the UAX fleet to nearly 600 strong. It may take up to a decade for all the 50 seaters to run their leases out, but that was part of ALPA's Scope plan. The exact words ALPA used were "the 50 seat RJ fleet is dying". It may be happening slowly but it is happening.


With no further changes in Scope then ultimately all the 50 seaters will disappear and the UAX fleet would be restricted to 255 airframes plus turboprops. The real question is what will happen in the next round of negotiations. Delta is scheduled to renegotiate their contract first so let's hope they keep the trend going in the right direction.

 

[QUOTE=AV82SKI;1730219]You are dead on. We just allowed the Company to increase the ASM's on RJ's . Those constantly trying to defend this sCOPE language fail to realize we permitted the Company to significantly increase the number of passengers flown by RJ's. Three 50 seaters parked is being hearlded by the sCOPE defenders as a win ... while they are replaced by two 76 seaters. A one for one exchange is a loss that we permitted.