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Old 02-25-2014 | 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by CRM114
That's the crux of union-wide apathy, ALPA has systematically marginalized, ostracized, ignored and alienated the membership.
And then there's this.

Alpa national and local representatives have angered their membership so highly in the political arena, when we need unity on an issue we can all get behind, we have nothing.
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Old 02-25-2014 | 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by UASnake
Open YOUR eyes! 117 and KCM won't do us much good if our jobs get off-shored. Last I checked the DOT reports to a Democrat President, and yet the above quote from the OP suggests that when it comes to arguably the most important decision the government will ever make WRT to U.S. airline pilot's careers, the administration is saying "eff you guys, but hey chumps, thanks for all the votes and campaign contributions over the years". At least the Republicans are up front about their support of business over labor.

Again we are in the middle, squeezed by business interests on one side and populist cheap airfare advocates on the other. Time to stop being politically naive and realize the only people who care about airline pilots are airline pilots and their families. I did sign the Call to Action, even though I think it will be a useless effort- reference again the quote in bold above.
And Romney's cabinet would not have been all over this? He would have Bjorn over for a White House steak dinner, you would still be taking off your shoes for the TSA, AND FAR 117 would be a pipe dream, just like 2000-2008. My eyes are wide open, for the last 30+ years....every since Ronnie fired the controllers and Bushy vetoed the Dem Congress Eastern strike bill. I won't ever vote for a R in the big house. Never. BTW, you checked your 401 balance lately? paycheck stub? coincidence??
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Old 02-25-2014 | 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Monkeyfly
We'll, that's exactly the point.

What if you are a conservative or moderate person willing to vote Democrat based on their "position" on labor, and when they get into office it has made no difference to your career from if you had voted for the other guy?
You can't say that. Projecting what would have happened under a Republican administration is impossible
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Old 02-25-2014 | 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by krudawg
Based on what? Ed Shultz? Rachel Maddow? You are talking fiction and we are talking about our jobs NOW, with the CURRENT administration and Senate.
Nope. Based on a little thing called history.
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Old 02-25-2014 | 03:50 PM
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And Romney's cabinet would not have been all over this? He would have Bjorn over for a White House steak dinner, you would still be taking off your shoes for the TSA, AND FAR 117 would be a pipe dream, just like 2000-2008. My eyes are wide open, for the last 30+ years....every since Ronnie fired the controllers and Bushy vetoed the Dem Congress Eastern strike bill. I won't ever vote for a R in the big house. Never. BTW, you checked your 401 balance lately? paycheck stub? coincidence??
You miss the point, which is that the Dems talk the labor friendly talk when it's election time, then stab labor in the back. Clinton signing NAFTA ring a bell? This NAI thing is for all the marbles, and should be a no-brainer for a real labor friendly President, right?

The Fed pumping $65B a month into the markets has far more to do with the current rise (bubble?) than anything else.
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Old 02-25-2014 | 04:02 PM
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Here is a little bit from an article on The Guardian UK online. This guy will make Lorenzo look like a saint. And our guys out flying the line are overwhelmingly clueless, complaining about their new uniforms and stuff. Or filing lawsuits in Houston.

Bjørn Kjos, NAS CEO

He claims politicians have yet to wake up to the opportunities that cheap air travel can bring: he thinks the numbers of incoming tourists add up to millions of jobs to be created in Europe. That far outweighs any race to the bottom in a few thousand airline employees' jobs, he said. "If I was a politician, I wouldn't give a sh*t about the airline side." In Europe, he said: "We've exported all our industry to the far east. At least we have a very good museum to show them, they will have to come spend money in our museum."


Oh yeah, and this:

Norwegian is Europe’s fourth-largest discount airline. Until recently, it was little known outside Scandinavia. Then, in 2012, Kjos made the largest airplane order in European history, buying 222 jets from Boeing and Airbus Group (AIR:FP) for $21.5 billion. Most of these are narrow-bodied Boeing 737 MAX8s and Airbus A320neos that will begin arriving in 2016. Kjos will use them to increase Norwegian’s presence in Europe and challenge the top three discount carriers: Ireland’s Ryanair (RYA:ID), Britain’s EasyJet (EZJ:LN), and Germany’s Air Berlin. Last year, Norwegian acquired its first two Dreamliners, which list for as much as $289 million each. Kjos is using these wider-bodied jets to offer cheaper international flights to distant places such as New York, Los Angeles, and Bangkok, undercutting established carriers in Europe and the U.S. Norwegian’s $180 tickets between New York and Oslo cost 10 percent of the equivalent ticket on British Airways. In effect, Kjos wants Norwegian to become a global version of Southwest Airlines (LUV).

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Old 02-25-2014 | 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by gettinbumped
Nope. Based on a little thing called history.
History? If you want to bury your head in the sand, then do it, but don't overlook what this DEMOCRAT President is CURRENTLY doing and try to throw a smoke grenade with charges of Republican behavior of the past. Disgusting!
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Old 02-25-2014 | 04:15 PM
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How's "FOX" doing?
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Old 02-25-2014 | 04:32 PM
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republicans and democrats are two wings of the same bird. elitist scum.

alpa is helpless against any of this imho.
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Old 02-25-2014 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by krudawg
History? If you want to bury your head in the sand, then do it, but don't overlook what this DEMOCRAT President is CURRENTLY doing and try to throw a smoke grenade with charges of Republican behavior of the past. Disgusting!
What is he doing? Making us RICH? The 401 has TRIPLED and the W2 is 60% higher. Cha freaking CHing Baby. WHOOO HOOOO
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