Originally Posted by Regularguy (Post 1601107)

Hope

Oops you misread what I wrote. I'm an ex UAL pilot who was hired just before the crash in PDX which caused CLR to be invented. CLR was a UAL copyrighted program mandated by the FAA as a result of two pilots letting an egomaniac pilot run the airplane out of fuel. The UAL course used to take several days and many of us took it at the Cherry Creek Inn.

CRM is the FAA, non-copyrighted name and all US certified airlines must have some approved program in place. TEM is the latest dumbed down version of CRM with nothing about captains and crew members fitting into the 1-9 matrix of command types.

Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald (Post 1601130)

Sunvox is not talking about Scabs. He is talking about flying. Yes, it is very different on either side. I don't have any experience on the CO side, he does. Until the CO guys fly with the UA side, you guys really don't have any perspective, nor should you be commenting on the UA side until you do.

Level heads should prevail. He is only stating his personal experience. Not rumor or innuendo. Lies, I think, at worst, is an exaggeration, and at best not true at all. Please refrain from commenting on something you don't have any experience with. Many times, the start to a solution is recognizing there is a problem.

Originally Posted by gofastmopar (Post 1601209)

I flew EWR 756 fo for 13 years and can remember maybe three Capt 's of a certain vintage that at times would attempt to circumvent SOP. All the others were true pros and managed the cockpit in great fashion and adhered to SOP.
Flying the NAT's in ECON mode is 100% legal and the most efficient.
Since day one I had no problem with the FA's feeding revenue BF customers before the cockpit. To put yourself above smells of entitlement.
As a Capt. I too will look at the flight plan in my hotel room before getting on the van, but the official briefing is in the FPA. This allows briefing the FA's early about flt time/turb etc before the pax board. (When we're all on the same van).
I know of several fo's whose seats have been turned into IRO for training and they're all grieving it.
To bombastically claim the incompetence of a whole group of Pilots is a little too much to swallow....

Originally Posted by Sunvox (Post 1601197)

You know I might have been willing to concede that UAL has it's share of captains that flight plan at the hotel and many new FOs don't know about Greenland Oxygen diversion information. But No. Rather than engage and discuss you're simply gonna tell me I should go back to UAL and leave you alone. Great. Real professional.

Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald (Post 1601130)

Sunvox is not talking about Scabs. He is talking about flying. Yes, it is very different on either side. I don't have any experience on the CO side, he does. Until the CO guys fly with the UA side, you guys really don't have any perspective, nor should you be commenting on the UA side until you do.

Level heads should prevail. He is only stating his personal experience. Not rumor or innuendo. Lies, I think, at worst, is an exaggeration, and at best not true at all. Please refrain from commenting on something you don't have any experience with. Many times, the start to a solution is recognizing there is a problem.

Originally Posted by Snarge (Post 1600518)

The legacy United pilot side difference wasn't management. It was the pilot group, including the mid level pilot managers that made being a United pilot enjoyable... respectable.... professional.

You've heard it before, from the new hire treatment at United (wing ceremonies at a company paid dinner) to nice aircraft pictures and coffee table book for retirement. You know the CAL experience so I won't detail it. But it was the pilots, not management, that made the pilot experience at United what it was... IOW, screw management, we don't want or need them to define us, (they will fund it though :) )

I can go into any legacy united chief pilot office and talk about scabs, ALPA, the profession, etc....( I got my scab clicker in ops.)
I am not comfortable doing that on the CAL side..


The pilots on the United side made the job/career what it was... we all engaged in the process... and if guys weren't actually doing union work, you knew they supported the guys who did....

Sure there were problems... the internal political fighting on the U-MEC was complex, nasty and counter-productive.



So I guess, the question becomes... what do you want?

I'd be glad if the 97 hires, NY Air, and PE guys would get on board, but my focus is the 05-07 hires. Let's see if the following can stick or degenerate into another ****ing contest.

The CAL MEC/NC/Merger committee did a poor job.
CAL pilot expectations were poorly managed.
Compare your MAD 2010 Seniority list to the ISL.
Read, actually read, the ISL opinion and award.
Accept that CAL pilots accepted ALPA merger policy and it was applied fairly.
There are no conspiracies or back room deals.
The chances or decertifying ALPA or overturning the ISL are low and highly expensive.

Reconcile all of this.... close the history book... Look forward.
I can type for hours how management has and will continue to divide us....

By now the CAL guys know that not wearing your pin is a hard core FU to every United pilot. What do you hope to gain in the long run?

With all pilots on board, sans scabs, we can do two things:

Get the best contract we deserve.
Create the best pilot culture and profession in the world. Yeah, I just said that... the World.

The choice is each individual pilots.... get engaged and unified, or get divided and owned. What do you want?

Originally Posted by El Gwopo (Post 1601470)

I believe that you are one of the most divisive posters on this forum. You've already said what you think of Continental people several times. Now, YOU want ME on board?

Consider yourself "divided and owned".

Originally Posted by El Gwopo (Post 1601470)

I believe that you are one of the most divisive posters on this forum. You've already said what you think of Continental people several times. Now, YOU want ME on board?

Consider yourself "divided and owned".

Originally Posted by Sunvox (Post 1601197)

I never said ALL CAL pilots are unprofessional. As I said above the IROs I have flown with were "awesome guys". I also very carefully explained that two of the pilots I flew with so far were a) impolite to me and b) not quite as knowledgable as I have come to expect. I went on to say that I realize I may have simply been "unlucky" on a couple of my first trips as I was paired with SCAB captains who clearly did not like the merger as you have so clearly just agreed with in such a nice manner.

So which part of my trivia is not correct? ECON? Minitels? What? Instead of telling me how much you hate UAL why not respond to the individual issues. You know I might have been willing to concede that UAL has it's share of captains that flight plan at the hotel and many new FOs don't know about Greenland Oxygen diversion information. But No. Rather than engage and discuss you're simply gonna tell me I should go back to UAL and leave you alone. Great. Real professional.